Stoke post match

The slaughtered lamb said:
Sterling wasn't blocking his path. After the initial 'push' on Sterling, the trajectory of the ball is over Shawcross' head, away from where he was attacking. I said previously the reason he must have given it was because Sterling isn't looking at the ball. If they're going to give those, Juve will give away 10 pens a game...yeah course they will. I assume they're playing these rules in Italy?
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Its a preniership directive and long overdue in my opinion so will not affect Juventus.

Fair enough mate I look forward to an opposition player doing what Sterling did to there player and people posting on this forum its not a penalty to City
 
franksinatra said:
Thats the most biased nonsense Ive seen for a while. It does not make you less of a fan to be objective
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You weren't sitting behind me last season. Some guy suggested that the couple in front of him were biased. 'Course I'm biased! I'm into my 61st season of biasedness. Look at Shawcross's hands - stuck out in front of him and contact with Sterling. Doesn't seem like nonsense to me! But there again, I'm biased!
 
franksinatra said:
Completely agree about the pressing and our running stats. Probably the highlight for me, after last year, seeing us out run a team.

What I found really interesting was for about 15 minutes in the second half we got really ragged and you could see it was a direct consequence of the players intensity dropping and players on the ball not having the one or two options Pep insists on.

It just shows the importance of having a structure to the team. Hopefully Pep will use this and say to the players this is what happens when we dont play in a structured way.

Great result after a really tough week. The more resulta like this the more it reinforces the philosophy with the players. Great performances, again, from the likes of Kolorov and Sterling who got a bit of criticism last year.
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I'm really not sure how many people realise just how structured Pep wants the team to be. The movement of Pep's teams can be a bit deceptive.
 
malg said:
Watched it on Sky at someone's house. I never normally watch games on Sky. That Quinn fella doesn't like us too much. cant believe we outran Stoke at their gaff! Good match, magnificent result, some cracking performances. Silva looks to be getting back to his imperious best, Sterling is fucking brilliant.....what a difference a coach can make.

However.......weren't we this good in the first 5 games last season?
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No we weren't - the results masked a lot.
 
SWP's back said:
Always nice after a game to have a look and see them start with "really think stoke will do them here" etc and end up with "stoke are shit anyway"

What is weird is united fans in agreement it wasn't a pen but you thinking the opposite as the loan voice of agreement it was.
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*Lone.

But the use of the word is incorrect nevermind the spelling. I'm clearly not the only one that accepts why it was given.

I imagine they ALL agreed Pogba was a good buy for them but you would have been the lone voice saying he wasn't. Seeing as United fans and Redcafe are now some kind of Holy measuring stick for people's opinions.

Good win today for us though wasn't it.
 
The slaughtered lamb said:
They needn't worry.
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You see this is the problem, if the ref had not given a penalty against Sterling I doubt much would be said, once he has there is the yes it was and no it was not, like I said before this is so subjective and better for the refs in a way. Does anybody think the Sterling pen would have been given against rags at the swamp? I rest my case
 
Their penalty was 100% right under the new rules referees have been given. Sterling done fuck all but block Shawcross' run, and they've been told you can't do that. Anyone arguing that it wasn't a penalty is wrong. There is no opinion here, it's clear that Sterling impeded him - would never have been given last season, but we've moved on.
 
SWP's back said:
I apologise to pudge for saying he was alone.

Forgot about you. Silly of me really.
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Yes I hate to be left out. My opinion is consistent with the experts who have played the game on the Sky panel and are aware of the directives given to the clubs during the close season.

The letter of the law its a penalty. Without doubt you can argue about the consistency of those penalties being awarded but if you think thats not a penalty you do not understand the rules.
 
pudge said:
*Lone.

But the use of the word is incorrect nevermind the spelling. I'm clearly not the only one that accepts why it was given.

I imagine they ALL agreed Pogba was a good buy for them but you would have been the lone voice saying he wasn't. Seeing as United fans and Redcafe are now some kind of Holy measuring stick for people's opinions.

Good win today for us though wasn't it.
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It's not a case of a measuring stick. It's a case of deciding whether everyone (frank apart) that disagrees with you are doing so as they are biased towards City.

When that number includes 20 odd rags, I'd guess not.

Not my fault you can't understand the logic in that.
 
Did any media 'expert' question why the ref did not punish the push on Sterling.

Surely the strict new rules do not just apply to the defending team? The big rag pushed Sterling so bloody obviously even Clattenburg would have seen it. Anything thereafter should have been immaterial.
 
franksinatra said:
Yes I hate to be left out. My opinion is consistent with the experts who have played the game on the Sky panel and are aware of the directives given to the clubs during the close season.

The letter of the law its a penalty. Without doubt you can argue about the consistency of those penalties being awarded but if you think thats not a penalty you do not understand the rules.
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I don't watch Sky, but Bein said it was the worst decision of the afternoon. I also notice no other 3pm games have had penalties for similar.

Seems the rules only counted for that one corner. Bein even showed Kolarov being manhandled far worse ten mins after their pen.

Ps "experts that have played the game", now I know you're taking the piss.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
You weren't sitting behind me last season. Some guy suggested that the couple in front of him were biased. 'Course I'm biased! I'm into my 61st season of biasedness. Look at Shawcross's hands - stuck out in front of him and contact with Sterling. Doesn't seem like nonsense to me! But there again, I'm biased!
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As long as you admit it. Great effort 61 years pal. Hats off to you
 
franksinatra said:
Its a preniership directive and long overdue in my opinion so will not affect Juventus.

Fair enough mate I look forward to an opposition player doing what Sterling did to there player and people posting on this forum its not a penalty to City
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I agree with you that it's a good idea, just a case of how it's implemented. Of course after having one against us like that our fans will make a fuss at not getting the same treatment.

Not sure how it will affect us in Champs' League when we have to adjust to different rules. UEFA playing catch up again.
 
Great result. Good first half and end of second half performance. Average and slipped into old ways for half an hour in the second half.

Stones and Fernandinho were fantastic. Kun took his goals well but faded. Silva was involved in everything but faded.

Kolarov and Sterling struggled on the ball up the left today. Loads of times Kolarov didn't have the self esteem to play the ball forward to free men in midfield and took the easy option to go back to Stones/Fernandinho. Sterling was so predictable cutting inside, the only time he did well was when he took it up the line and crossed with his left across the six yard box but Kun didn't read it. But Sterling stuck at it and didn't give up - he was the best presser on the team today and when he went on the right he looked good.

de Bruyne was involved loads but was well average to be honest. Navas gave the ball away loads.

Zaba and Otamnedi worked hard and were fine.

Tough game though. Windy day too.

I thought they should have had a penalty first half but the one they did get should have been an indirect free kick for obstruction - Sterling didn't foul him, he blocked/shielded his path. That's not a foul/penalty, it's a free kick.

I thought too often today our players were too far away from each other. Last week and midweek we picked the ball up and had close options, today at times we slipped into Pellegrini mistakes again and had huge gaps between players. We also didn't press well (bar Sterling and Fernandinho), Stoke's pressing was miles better than ours.

But great result. And they're still learning Guardiola's ways. Though place to go for us usually so we've got it out of the way and we can think about next week now.
 
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