Stop abusing the Hughes out brigade - we have a valid point

[Mike D]

Hiddink took over a failing Chelsea team, didn't spend a penny, and within a month has transformed them. That's what a quality manager can do.

Zola took over a team that were in the relegation zone, no money, club in crrisis, and they're now 7th. playing great football.

Even Fat Sam at Blackburn and Happy Harry at Spurs have got better records than Hughes since they took over... without spending a fraction what Hughes spent.

I think even Sbragia at Sunderland has gained more points than Hughes!

It's all bollocks this stability and 5 year plans. Football isn't like it was 20 years ago when you had to build teams. Now you buy them.

Stability... Southgate and Mowbray. Maybe even Moyes...and he's never won a thing in his 10 year management career! Is that the height of our ambitions now? FFS!

Great point I'm sick of hearing these comparison with baconface even though MH played under him they were never exacly bussom buddies. The games a lot quicker prizes are bigger success can be bought sold and is quicker. Time to get out of your f**kin caves Hughes In Brigade this is 2009 Premiership get your head around it

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Like I said, new managers often have a "honey-moon" period, but this doesn't last forever, just look at Pearce, great start, but went pear shaped in the end.

 

[Soulboy]

Hiddink took over a failing Chelsea team, didn't spend a penny, and within a month has transformed them. That's what a quality manager can do.

Zola took over a team that were in the relegation zone, no money, club in crrisis, and they're now 7th. playing great football.

Even Fat Sam at Blackburn and Happy Harry at Spurs have got better records than Hughes since they took over... without spending a fraction what Hughes spent.

I think even Sbragia at Sunderland has gained more points than Hughes!

It's all bollocks this stability and 5 year plans. Football isn't like it was 20 years ago when you had to build teams. Now you buy them.

Stability... Southgate and Mowbray. Maybe even Moyes...and he's never won a thing in his 10 year management career! Is that the height of our ambitions now? FFS!

All new managers tend to have a "honey moon" period, but it doesnt last forever, Pearce had a great start, but look what happened in the end.

So, just remind me again, when exactly was Mark Hughes' honeymoon period?

Or are you saying he's the exception to the rule in that he didn't have one!

 

[Soulboy]

Like I said, new managers often have a "honey-moon" period, but this doesn't last forever, just look at Pearce, great start, but went pear shaped in the end.

Yeah, and using a comparison between Pearce and Hughes is so appropriate.

One has spent £100m and the other actually made us about £20m!!!

Apart from both being out of their depth, there's little to compare them.

 

[Mike D]

Hiddink took over a failing Chelsea team, didn't spend a penny, and within a month has transformed them. That's what a quality manager can do.

Zola took over a team that were in the relegation zone, no money, club in crrisis, and they're now 7th. playing great football.

Even Fat Sam at Blackburn and Happy Harry at Spurs have got better records than Hughes since they took over... without spending a fraction what Hughes spent.

I think even Sbragia at Sunderland has gained more points than Hughes!

It's all bollocks this stability and 5 year plans. Football isn't like it was 20 years ago when you had to build teams. Now you buy them.

Stability... Southgate and Mowbray. Maybe even Moyes...and he's never won a thing in his 10 year management career! Is that the height of our ambitions now? FFS!

All new managers tend to have a "honey moon" period, but it doesnt last forever, Pearce had a great start, but look what happened in the end.

So, just remind me again, when exactly was Mark Hughes' honeymoon period?

Or are you saying he's the exception to the rule in that he didn't have one!

Ha ha ha like it.

What we are fogetting is Pearce had the rug pulled under from him selling off the crown jewals and been given buttons to try and find replacements

 

[Soulboy]

Hiddink took over a failing Chelsea team, didn't spend a penny, and within a month has transformed them. That's what a quality manager can do.

Zola took over a team that were in the relegation zone, no money, club in crrisis, and they're now 7th. playing great football.

Even Fat Sam at Blackburn and Happy Harry at Spurs have got better records than Hughes since they took over... without spending a fraction what Hughes spent.

I think even Sbragia at Sunderland has gained more points than Hughes!

It's all bollocks this stability and 5 year plans. Football isn't like it was 20 years ago when you had to build teams. Now you buy them.

Stability... Southgate and Mowbray. Maybe even Moyes...and he's never won a thing in his 10 year management career! Is that the height of our ambitions now? FFS!

All new managers tend to have a "honey moon" period, but it doesnt last forever, Pearce had a great start, but look what happened in the end.

So, just remind me again, when exactly was Mark Hughes' honeymoon period?

Or are you saying he's the exception to the rule in that he didn't have one!

Ha ha ha like it.

What we are fogetting is Pearce had the rug pulled under from him selling off the crown jewals and been given buttons to try and find replacements

Listen, don't get me wrong. Pearce had to go. No two ways about it.

But to compare what he had to play with and the situation at the club at the time, with the Golden Goose Hughes has in front of him, is bordering on the bizarre!

If the best reason we can come up with to retain Hughes is that we "give him a chance"... then I'd like to ask those who support this view as to whether Alan Ball deserved more than a season and a game? Did Frank Clark deserve more than a year?

We have never once made an error in sacking a manager in the past 30 years. Not once. And I defy anyone to tell me differently.

It's the ones we keep picking that we get wrong... and we've gone and done it again!

 

[Jack74]

We finished 9th last year and I mite b wrong and finished with 49 points this season we will finish with same amount ov points mayb 1 more or 1 less but the fact is we have spent over 100 million and that says it all

Hughes out

 

[Jack74]

In fact we finished with 55 points

HUGHES OUT

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Hiddink took over a failing Chelsea team, didn't spend a penny, and within a month has transformed them. That's what a quality manager can do.

Zola took over a team that were in the relegation zone, no money, club in crrisis, and they're now 7th. playing great football.

Even Fat Sam at Blackburn and Happy Harry at Spurs have got better records than Hughes since they took over... without spending a fraction what Hughes spent.

I think even Sbragia at Sunderland has gained more points than Hughes!

It's all bollocks this stability and 5 year plans. Football isn't like it was 20 years ago when you had to build teams. Now you buy them.

Stability... Southgate and Mowbray. Maybe even Moyes...and he's never won a thing in his 10 year management career! Is that the height of our ambitions now? FFS!

All new managers tend to have a "honey moon" period, but it doesnt last forever, Pearce had a great start, but look what happened in the end.

So, just remind me again, when exactly was Mark Hughes' honeymoon period?

Or are you saying he's the exception to the rule in that he didn't have one!

That wasn't a "keep Hughes in" point, just a general management observation. I'm just a simple City fan, I see both the reasons for keeping Hughes and ditching him, whatever the owners decide, I'll go with. I quite like the idea of Rijkaard with Henk Ten Cate as his assistant, if a new manager does come in, I hope the youngsters still come through. It would break my heart to see this top young talent ignored, and the academy bulldozed over with foreign imports.

 

[stockportblue]

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Jim, yes you can't argue with Wenger and Baconface, hugely successful.
Honestly though, I'm not sure what thats got to do with MH performance as a manager??
Here's my 2 questions to you..
With what he inherited and spent has he made progress?
Have you been happy with MHs contribution and effect as our manager?

Right; I'll answer them before I go to bed. People seem to be equating us having this money with suddenly, from years of dross, going on to win trophies overnight. Money seems to be one of the major points used by the Hughes out people to back up their argument (granted, not the only point but it does keep cropping up. And in answer to your second point, no I haven't been totally happy with Hughes' contribution in his first season. But, as I said in my earlier post, there comes a point when we have to stop these endless managerial sackings. Say we get rid of Hughes in the summer (and I think we probably will) and get a new man in. What happens if he only gets us to 8th or 9th and no trophy in his first season? And I'm not saying that will happen; I, like everybody else on here can't possibly know what would happen in those circumstances. Do we then get rid of him as well? Anyway, I'm off to bed!

That's the gamble you take but it's less of a gamble the better the manager you get in. If we brought in Van Gaal or Rijkaard or Mourinho etc then we are moving in the right direction. They'd probably get more out of the current squad than Hughes, would attract a better calibre of player etc etc. I see more upside/ potential than downside.

Chelsea probably thought the same thing when they got Scolari to replace Avram Grant-big name international manager-who will definitely improve the situation.A differentiation should be made between Mourinho and the other two because he has been successful in England-Scolari had no track record in England and it showed in his training methods-Just because a manager has been very successful abroad doesnt mean success dealing with British players-see Paul le Guen at Rangers after his success at Lyon.