Strike on 30th June

[SWP's back]

So the ONS are suddenly not independent and a branch of Tory party HQ.

You couldn't make it up although it seems you did.

But sure, your conjecture and theories are just as relevant as an independent body and you've won me round.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So the ONS are suddenly not independent and a branch of Tory party HQ.

You couldn't make it up although it seems you did.

But sure, your conjecture and theories are just as relevant as an independent body and you've won me round.

Here's how they work

Government: We want "independent" results on the matter.

Here is what we believe the outcome should be.

Here is a blank cheque.

ONS: We'll look into it.

 

[tueartsboots]

So the ONS are suddenly not independent and a branch of Tory party HQ.

You couldn't make it up although it seems you did.

But sure, your conjecture and theories are just as relevant as an independent body and you've won me round.

They're not independent, they're a Government department. They select households to interview based on random post codes/addresses. And they revisit/phone that person on an annual basis-if you move, they choose a different address-what the core is I have no idea but often ONS data is several years out of date due to the amount of info colated. My interview lasted 3 hours, just about anything and everything you could thing about was asked.

 

[Matty]

So the ONS are suddenly not independent and a branch of Tory party HQ.

You couldn't make it up although it seems you did.

But sure, your conjecture and theories are just as relevant as an independent body and you've won me round.

Here's how they work

Government: We want "independent" results on the matter.

Here is what we believe the outcome should be.

Here is a blank cheque.

ONS: We'll look into it.

Had the ONS come up with figures that suggest Public sector workers are less well paid you'd have used it to back up your point, because they found the opposite you basically say they're lying and you are still right. Unbelievable.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So the ONS are suddenly not independent and a branch of Tory party HQ.

You couldn't make it up although it seems you did.

But sure, your conjecture and theories are just as relevant as an independent body and you've won me round.

Here's how they work

Government: We want "independent" results on the matter.

Here is what we believe the outcome should be.

Here is a blank cheque.

ONS: We'll look into it.

Had the ONS come up with figures that suggest Public sector workers are less well paid you'd have used it to back up your point, because they found the opposite you basically say they're lying and you are still right. Unbelievable.

All I was suggesting is that all statistics created by whoever are not independent and are created based on the fact that they will be used in propaganda in the future.

If you take out the ministerial and quango level then the wage would be a much more true reflection of what the average civil servant earns. Ministers and quangos are only civil servants for a limited time.

 

[SWP's back]

Here's how they work

Government: We want "independent" results on the matter.

Here is what we believe the outcome should be.

Here is a blank cheque.

ONS: We'll look into it.

Had the ONS come up with figures that suggest Public sector workers are less well paid you'd have used it to back up your point, because they found the opposite you basically say they're lying and you are still right. Unbelievable.

All I was suggesting is that all statistics created by whoever are not independent and are created based on the fact that they will be used in propaganda in the future.

If you take out the ministerial and quango level then the wage would be a much more true reflection of what the average civil servant earns. Ministers and quangos are only civil servants for a limited time.

The same could be said of bankers/heads of business etc who earn far more than ministers over here in the private sector, thus making the mean wage look higher than it is for the majority. That's how averages work Ben.

Not one person who disagreed with the data has managed to show figures that disagree with the ONS study (a study that showed a growing disparity whilst Labour were I office, do you think the ONS were being bribed at that time also??).

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Had the ONS come up with figures that suggest Public sector workers are less well paid you'd have used it to back up your point, because they found the opposite you basically say they're lying and you are still right. Unbelievable.

All I was suggesting is that all statistics created by whoever are not independent and are created based on the fact that they will be used in propaganda in the future.

If you take out the ministerial and quango level then the wage would be a much more true reflection of what the average civil servant earns. Ministers and quangos are only civil servants for a limited time.

The same could be said of bankers/heads of business etc who earn far more than ministers over here in the private sector, thus making the mean wage look higher than it is for the majority. That's how averages work Ben.

Not one person who disagreed with the data has managed to show figures that disagree with the ONS study (a study that showed a growing disparity whilst Labour were I office, do you think the ONS were being bribed at that time also??).

Also Labour's record on the gulf between rich and poor (another ONS 'lie'??) is shameful. Anyone who has got the temerity to come on here and talk about the gulf between rich and poor and blame it on the coalition is, frankly, beyond the pale. It is actually quite comical.

 

[cockneycarparkm32]

Whoever gambled the pension fund pot during this financial meltdown should be hung ,drawn & quartered . I see there are job cuts proposed in the teaching profession , I was working at an Ofsted managers house yesterday,she stated "there are too many poorly trained teachers that are just simply not fit to teach our youngsters,expect a cull of the deadwood,this strike action will not help their cause".

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I really think you right w (h)ingers have been denied an education

it's the private sector that provides negative social value with some of the most meaningless jobs of all time that wrecks society

The public sector that provides work of real worth and positive social value that has to clean up the ruinous mess the banks have left it in

with an army of unpaid volunteers by the sounds of it

100,000 members in the civil service earn £15,000 or less

the average pension of a civil servant is £4,000

they do 120 millions pounds of unpaid overtime a yea

to denigrate them is to lie about their worth and their value

Is your default setting to blame the bankers?? I didnt hear anyone complaining when they were rolling in the good times on 200% mortgages and not thinking how is that finacially possible. Although i have heard a new one from you on the public sector will save us from ruin, as far as i can see we need to start manufacturing stuff again and quell are import take. As far as i am aware the public sector dont do that and in very rich to talk about meaningless jobs when someone called a twitter expert in a council gets paid £50,000 a year

Dear me, another another apologist for the bankers! Only a banker/Tory could defend the indefensible.

BTW, the job you refer to at MCC was not a "twitter expert". That was a small part of the job, but even so it was seized upon by the right wing press so that mugs like you could wring your hands in indignation and base your jaundiced opinion of tens of thousands of people on one inaccurate tale.

As someone else has commented in this thread: don't believe everything you read in the papers.

-- Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:30 pm --

A complete and utter fabrication, of course.

I'm not sure where your resentment stems from but just for balance, where do you work? The City? A bank? 30 Millbank???

The office of national statistics made it all up? And what independent source do you have to prove this?

I note you've ducked my question and gone offline. As per usual!

I didn't defend the bankers although you chose to make it seem that way. I said nobody complained about what they were doing when everyone was throwing money around like confetti without think "where does it come from"
I also said it his default position when someone questions the guy to "blame the Bankers"
I have no preference to any political party as they all the same anyway, same views different spin

 

[kronkonite]

that's all fine ,not accusing you of anything
I merely point out the social value of jobs