Sturgeon wants another referendum

[Cubbage74]

Last time I looked there was a Scottish Parliament with very significant powers.

• health
• education and training
• local government
• social work
• housing
• planning
• tourism, economic development and financial assistance to industry
• some aspects of transport, including the Scottish road network, bus policy and ports and harbours
• law and home affairs, including most aspects of criminal and civil law, the prosecution system and the courts
• the Police and Fire services
• the environment
• natural and built heritage
• agriculture, forestry and fishing
• sport and the arts
• statistics, public registers and records

A lot of the nationalist argument conveniently ignores that and still blames 'London' for all mans ills. I wish that Nicola would spend all of her considerable talent worrying about that list rather than marching the nation over a cliff edge.

Not one economic lever in that list. Plenty of powers, but no actual power.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Scottish nationalism = civic, progressive, inclusive.
English nationalism = Racist, regressive, fascist.

When they write Westminster they mean English.

I'm glad that you know 'us' so well. Except that you don't. And you're talking absolute shite. For me, and anyone I know, a yes vote has nothing to do with English people themselves. Who's the ones with the chip on their shoulder again?

'Different types of nationalism' lol.

It's astonishing that you can't see the difference between Tommy Robinson EDL, 'NO TO MOOSLAMIC IMMAGRUNTS' downright racists and people who are simply fed up with tory rule and Wastemonster.

 

[Gabriel]

Last time I looked there was a Scottish Parliament with very significant powers.

• health
• education and training
• local government
• social work
• housing
• planning
• tourism, economic development and financial assistance to industry
• some aspects of transport, including the Scottish road network, bus policy and ports and harbours
• law and home affairs, including most aspects of criminal and civil law, the prosecution system and the courts
• the Police and Fire services
• the environment
• natural and built heritage
• agriculture, forestry and fishing
• sport and the arts
• statistics, public registers and records

A lot of the nationalist argument conveniently ignores that and still blames 'London' for all mans ills. I wish that Nicola would spend all of her considerable talent worrying about that list rather than marching the nation over a cliff edge.

One of the problems the UK seems to face is the number of cliff edges that politicians, of different hues, would appear hell bent on charging over. Perhaps President Trump could help advise on building some kind of nationwide safety fence to protect us all.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

We'll let you rent out Faslane if you play nice. Might cost you, though. We'll expect payment in Scottish five pound notes.

Not if its one of those dodgy Clydesdale bank notes, they arent allowed down here.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Nah she would rather waste a fuck ton of money and effort asking a question that has just been answered, because she didnt happen to like what she was told.

Doesnt she realise most sweaties are worried that the prices in Asda might go up if they leave and fuck all else.

Some of us actually care about being part of the UK sad though that may seem.

Not one economic lever in that list. Plenty of powers, but no actual power.

So the Scottish government doesn't have tax raising powers then? Wow, I stand corrected.

 

[Saddleworth2]

One of the problems the UK seems to face is the number of cliff edges that politicians, of different hues, would appear hell bent on charging over. Perhaps President Trump could help advise on building some kind of nationwide safety fence to protect us all.

you are so right.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I'm not going to get too deep into the financial debate on here. It's not my main factor when deciding which way to vote. It's more personal in that no matter how wealthy or poor we become, I'd like to see us govern ourselves and not London do it for us. That's it.

On the first part of your statement, surely you can see the difference between Scottish independence from Westminster and the far right UKIP loving looney's I'm on about? It's two completely different types of nationalism - if you can call it that.

Well if you don't want to get into the financial debate I guess that's because you realise you will be significantly worse off. But no arguments from me if you want your independence regardless.

No I don't see much of a difference between the extreme one policy SNP and UKIP. Aside from the fact that the SNP are significantly worse in that they hate the English and blame us for nearly everything while still accepting the over generous Scottish block grant. If only you had the deal we get in the English northern regions you really would have something to complain about. You have no tuition fees, but your bloody Scottish MPs kindly voted to have fees in England ffs. Also blatant descrimination against English students charged fees wanting to study in Scotland while any other nationality from the eu gets them free! free prescriptions, free nhs parking, when your elderly the Scottish government don't even take your house off you to pay for care like they do down here. More MPs in Scotland per lerson than anywhere in the UK NI aside, so more representation. You couldnt make it up its so laughable. We get the worst deal on the uk by far and f**k all say in anything. Without a doubt thats why many people in the English regions voted for brexit as we are fed up with being shat on. But hey you get such a rough deal lol. Even now Sturgeon is still messing it up the Scottish economy even with the block grant that favours you enormously. And now you want your independence but want to be governed by Brussels and the euro lol. Oh wait a minute she still wants sterling doesn't she. Stupid woman.

Just wish we had a vote, you ungreatful people would be out so quick you wouldn't know what's hit you. Personally I think the odious Blair created this resentment with so called devolution while completely ignoring the rest of us and creating another layer of politcians no one wanted giving the odious Salmond and his ilk a soap box to preach his lies and utopia from. At least if you do join we won't be subsidising you any longer, it will just be sporen in hand to Brussels I supose.

Bit of a rant i know but that's the way it comes across to me.

 

[Newman Noggs]

I wish that Nicola would spend all of her considerable talent worrying about that list rather than marching the nation over a cliff edge.

I fear you are too kind to her. What "considerable talent" ? True leaders unite, any fucker can divide. She, like most politicians nowadays, hasn't got a leadership bone in her body. She's got where she has simply by tapping into the most basic human instinct to blame some else, preferably another race, for any and all perceived wrongs.

If she manages to shed the English who knows who she'll come for next.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Well if you don't want to get into the financial debate I guess that's because you realise you will be significantly worse off. But no arguments from me if you want your independence regardless.

No I don't see much of a difference between the extreme one policy SNP and UKIP. Aside from the fact that the SNP are significantly worse in that they hate the English and blame us for nearly everything while still accepting the over generous Scottish block grant. If only you had the deal we get in the English northern regions you really would have something to complain about. You have no tuition fees, but your bloody Scottish MPs kindly voted to have fees in England ffs. Also blatant descrimination against English students charged fees wanting to study in Scotland while any other nationality from the eu gets them free! free prescriptions, free nhs parking, when your elderly the Scottish government don't even take your house off you to pay for care like they do down here. More MPs in Scotland per lerson than anywhere in the UK NI aside, so more representation. You couldnt make it up its so laughable. We get the worst deal on the uk by far and f**k all say in anything. Without a doubt thats why many people in the English regions voted for brexit as we are fed up with being shat on. But hey you get such a rough deal lol. Even now Sturgeon is still messing it up the Scottish economy even with the block grant that favours you enormously. And now you want your independence but want to be governed by Brussels and the euro lol. Oh wait a minute she still wants sterling doesn't she. Stupid woman.

Just wish we had a vote, you ungreatful people would be out so quick you wouldn't know what's hit you. Personally I think the odious Blair created this resentment with so called devolution while completely ignoring the rest of us and creating another layer of politcians no one wanted giving the odious Salmond and his ilk a soap box to preach his lies and utopia from. At least if you do join we won't be subsidising you any longer, it will just be sporen in hand to Brussels I supose.

Bit of a rant i know but that's the way it comes across to me.

From a Scotsman, brilliant post mate.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I'm not going to get too deep into the financial debate on here. It's not my main factor when deciding which way to vote. It's more personal in that no matter how wealthy or poor we become, I'd like to see us govern ourselves and not London do it for us. That's it.

On the first part of your statement, surely you can see the difference between Scottish independence from Westminster and the far right UKIP loving looney's I'm on about? It's two completely different types of nationalism - if you can call it that.

Ayrshire blue. Can I just add if you vote to stay in the UK the PM has a duty to create a fair society and divide the revenue up between all regions of the uk fairly. I am sure you would agree with that.

 

[Helmet Cole]

I'm glad that you know 'us' so well. Except that you don't. And you're talking absolute shite. For me, and anyone I know, a yes vote has nothing to do with English people themselves. Who's the ones with the chip on their shoulder again?



It's astonishing that you can't see the difference between Tommy Robinson EDL, 'NO TO MOOSLAMIC IMMAGRUNTS' downright racists and people who are simply fed up with tory rule and Wastemonster.

I can see the difference. Tommy Robinson isn't snide or clever enough to couch his racism in gentler terms.

 

[smudgedj]

I'm glad that you know 'us' so well. Except that you don't. And you're talking absolute shite. For me, and anyone I know, a yes vote has nothing to do with English people themselves. Who's the ones with the chip on their shoulder again?

Wasn't me who said it, it was one of your own.

'Inclusive, civic form of Scottish nationalism is the polar opposite to the racist nationalism we see down south' - Patrick Harvie, Scottish Greens

Don't worry though I'm on your side, I couldn't support Brexit and not support Scotland leaving the Union. That was be hypocritical of lefty proportions.

 

[malg]

I would rather the uk had a referendum on the issue so we could all tell her to fuck off.

Pretty sure that's what the Scots done last time round.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Well if you don't want to get into the financial debate I guess that's because you realise you will be significantly worse off. But no arguments from me if you want your independence regardless.

No I don't see much of a difference between the extreme one policy SNP and UKIP. Aside from the fact that the SNP are significantly worse in that they hate the English and blame us for nearly everything while still accepting the over generous Scottish block grant. If only you had the deal we get in the English northern regions you really would have something to complain about. You have no tuition fees, but your bloody Scottish MPs kindly voted to have fees in England ffs. Also blatant descrimination against English students charged fees wanting to study in Scotland while any other nationality from the eu gets them free! free prescriptions, free nhs parking, when your elderly the Scottish government don't even take your house off you to pay for care like they do down here. More MPs in Scotland per lerson than anywhere in the UK NI aside, so more representation. You couldnt make it up its so laughable. We get the worst deal on the uk by far and f**k all say in anything. Without a doubt thats why many people in the English regions voted for brexit as we are fed up with being shat on. But hey you get such a rough deal lol. Even now Sturgeon is still messing it up the Scottish economy even with the block grant that favours you enormously. And now you want your independence but want to be governed by Brussels and the euro lol. Oh wait a minute she still wants sterling doesn't she. Stupid woman.

Just wish we had a vote, you ungreatful people would be out so quick you wouldn't know what's hit you. Personally I think the odious Blair created this resentment with so called devolution while completely ignoring the rest of us and creating another layer of politcians no one wanted giving the odious Salmond and his ilk a soap box to preach his lies and utopia from. At least if you do join we won't be subsidising you any longer, it will just be sporen in hand to Brussels I supose.

Bit of a rant i know but that's the way it comes across to me.

Good post mate.

Salmond is a horrible fucker, one of the main reasons I hope they remain is so he isnt seen to be getting his own way, like the fucktard Farage did. Other than that, they can do what they want for me.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

We'll let you rent out Faslane if you play nice. Might cost you, though. We'll expect payment in Scottish five pound notes.

I very much suspect that will be heading down south to Pembrokeshire. Wales will be all too great full to receive the sub Base. And of course the Royal Navy won't be building any more ships in Glasgow. All that will be heading back to Barrow, Plymouth and the North East.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Well if you don't want to get into the financial debate I guess that's because you realise you will be significantly worse off. But no arguments from me if you want your independence regardless.

No I don't see much of a difference between the extreme one policy SNP and UKIP. Aside from the fact that the SNP are significantly worse in that they hate the English and blame us for nearly everything while still accepting the over generous Scottish block grant. If only you had the deal we get in the English northern regions you really would have something to complain about. You have no tuition fees, but your bloody Scottish MPs kindly voted to have fees in England ffs. Also blatant descrimination against English students charged fees wanting to study in Scotland while any other nationality from the eu gets them free! free prescriptions, free nhs parking, when your elderly the Scottish government don't even take your house off you to pay for care like they do down here. More MPs in Scotland per lerson than anywhere in the UK NI aside, so more representation. You couldnt make it up its so laughable. We get the worst deal on the uk by far and f**k all say in anything. Without a doubt thats why many people in the English regions voted for brexit as we are fed up with being shat on. But hey you get such a rough deal lol. Even now Sturgeon is still messing it up the Scottish economy even with the block grant that favours you enormously. And now you want your independence but want to be governed by Brussels and the euro lol. Oh wait a minute she still wants sterling doesn't she. Stupid woman.

Just wish we had a vote, you ungreatful people would be out so quick you wouldn't know what's hit you. Personally I think the odious Blair created this resentment with so called devolution while completely ignoring the rest of us and creating another layer of politcians no one wanted giving the odious Salmond and his ilk a soap box to preach his lies and utopia from. At least if you do join we won't be subsidising you any longer, it will just be sporen in hand to Brussels I supose.

Bit of a rant i know but that's the way it comes across to me.

Good post fella, and I mean that genuinely.

The reason I don't want to get too deep into a financial debate isn't anything to do with me knowing anything, it's the opposite infact. 10's if not hundreds of financial 'experts' have told us we would thrive, whilst 10s if not hundreds of other financial 'experts' have told us it will go tits up. I'm not an accountant, nor am I a politician. I am a working class bloke trying to provide for my wife and kid. I take no fear in being the first to admit I don't know enough, or what to believe, when it comes to the financial side of things. I'm sure some will look down their nose on that, but I'd reckon it'll be the case for many of us. Hence, it takes a bit of a backseat in my case.

Secondly, my reasons for a Yes vote have little if any to do with the SNP. The SNP just happen to be the only guys capable of providing a lot (a large minority if not a small majority now?) of Scottish people what they want which is away from Tory rule and Westminster. If Labour for example were to support Scottish independence then the SNP vote wouldn't be nearly as high. It's little to do with them, but all to do with the ultimate outcome which only they are capable of providing. They are a pretty shambolic party in almost all other areas of governance, if truth be told.

Lastly, I'm not sure I can quite grasp the reasons behind the resentment on here. Having spoke to a few (English) mates on social media today, they seem to 'wish' they were in our position or could hypothetically 'come with us'. Whatever the outcome is, I hope it works out well for people throughout the UK.

 

[sir baconface]

I don't mind them having another referendum but they can fcukin well wait until 2 or 3 years after we are out of the EU.

No reason why we should let them colour the Brexit negotiations or have votes every 5 minutes.

They are in danger of being shown up as a divisive bunch of opportunists who will split their own country into two bitter halves. But that's their lookout.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Sturgeon is another career politician who, when the votes are being counted, covets a place in history far more than the advancement of the people.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Good post fella, and I mean that genuinely.

The reason I don't want to get too deep into a financial debate isn't anything to do with me knowing anything, it's the opposite infact. 10's if not hundreds of financial 'experts' have told us we would thrive, whilst 10s if not hundreds of other financial 'experts' have told us it will go tits up. I'm not an accountant, nor am I a politician. I am a working class bloke trying to provide for my wife and kid. I take no fear in being the first to admit I don't know enough, or what to believe, when it comes to the financial side of things. I'm sure some will look down their nose on that, but I'd reckon it'll be the case for many of us. Hence, it takes a bit of a backseat in my case.

Secondly, my reasons for a Yes vote have little if any to do with the SNP. The SNP just happen to be the only guys capable of providing a lot (a large minority if not a small majority now?) of Scottish people what they want which is away from Tory rule and Westminster. If Labour for example were to support Scottish independence then the SNP vote wouldn't be nearly as high. It's little to do with them, but all to do with the ultimate outcome which only they are capable of providing. They are a pretty shambolic party in almost all other areas of governance, if truth be told.

Lastly, I'm not sure I can quite grasp the reasons behind the resentment on here. Having spoke to a few (English) mates on social media today, they seem to 'wish' they were in our position or could hypothetically 'come with us'. Whatever the outcome is, I hope it works out well for people throughout the UK.

Resentment simply because you get such a good deal out of the uk compared to the rest of us. And yet you still want out so it comes across as just being ungrateful. I know many people in fact all my mates feel the same way. It's obviously nothing personal against the Scots. Answer me this Ayrshire if the vote is another no would you want to scrap the Barnet formula and have a fair share of UK wealth. You have tax raising powers but at present sturgeon doesnt want to use them she just goes cap in hand to westminister and the Tory government she hates asking for more hand outs.

 

[bucks]

Further to my earlier rant, which I admit was supposed to be just a tad tongue in cheek, I would like the answers to the following 3 questions if Nic gets her way:-
1. Just who would be eligible for a Scottish passport? Cos if everyone with a Jock accent is eligible there's gonna be a fuckin' stampede down here just in case they get into the EU, as there was with the Irish after the Brexit vote.
2. Do they get to keep the pound, I don't see why they should. Perhaps they could join the euro as the Greeks did, that worked out well didn't it?
3. Who is gonna pay to build and police the wall to be built somewhere north of Carlisle to keep out the euro hordes that the Brexiteers voted for in the first place. Same goes for Northern Ireland. Maybe we could ask Donald for help on this, perhaps he could ask Mexico for help.