Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

[domalino]

Perhaps you might enlighten us all.

The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for "ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism in which various ethnic and cultural groups exist in a single society.​

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Collins Definition​

Multiculturalism is a situation in which all the different cultural or racial groups in a society have equal rights and opportunities, and none is ignored or regarded as unimportant.​

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OED Definition​

As a descriptive term, multiculturalism refers to the coexistence of people with many cultural identities in a common state, society, or community.​

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I would be incredibly surprised if any of the people you've argued with in this thread recognise or accept the definition of multiculturalism you posted.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for "ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism in which various ethnic and cultural groups exist in a single society.​

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Collins Definition​

Multiculturalism is a situation in which all the different cultural or racial groups in a society have equal rights and opportunities, and none is ignored or regarded as unimportant.​

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OED Definition​

As a descriptive term, multiculturalism refers to the coexistence of people with many cultural identities in a common state, society, or community.​

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I would be incredibly surprised if any of the people you've argued with in this thread recognise or accept the definition of multiculturalism you posted.

I have no problem whatsoever with these definitions, but the onus is on you to outline how they in anyway bolster BobKowalski's post and undermine mine.

Let's take "equal rights and opportunities" in the Collins definition. No one, least of all me, is arguing that anyone should be discriminated on the basis of their ethnic origin or cultural background.

The OED definition goes to the heart of the matter....

OED Definition​

As a descriptive term, multiculturalism refers to the coexistence of people with many cultural identities in a common state, society, or community.​

The OED talks of "coexistence" in a "common state, society, or community". Whereas Collins talks of "different cultural or racial groups in a society".

The challenge for those who advocate multiculturalism, is to square the different in "different cultural or racial groups in a society", with OED's "coexistence of people with many cultural identities in a common state, society, or community".

People coexist in a harmonious society if they have common purpose. Multiculturalism celebrates diversity. So if you were landing from Mars, you might wonder how a society that celebrates difference could possibly achieve common purpose, a state of harmonious "coexistence" in a "common state, society, or community"

One might reasonably come to the conclusion that the cognitive dissonance at the heart of multiculturalism is the struggle in bridging common purpose with difference.

So what do you do?

The answer is simple, you ignore all evidence to the contrary and you Orwellian slogan it to death....

My particular favourite...

The left does have a wonderful way of bending language to mean whatever they want it to mean. Why address an issue when you can simply redefine it and slogan it away.

PS; Remember, if anyone shouts the king has no clothes, just call them a fascist, even better, an old white fascist.

 

[west didsblue]

The thread has taken a weird turn.

Just as a reminder, Braverman is still a **** with fascistic tendencies.

 

[Mr Fraser]

The thread has taken a weird turn.

Just as a reminder, Braverman is a fascist ****

 

[BobKowalski]

I have no problem whatsoever with these definitions, but the onus is on you to outline how they in anyway bolster BobKowalski's post and undermine mine.

Let's take "equal rights and opportunities" in the Collins definition. No one, least of all me, is arguing that anyone should be discriminated on the basis of their ethnic origin or cultural background.

The OED definition goes to the heart of the matter....



The OED talks of "coexistence" in a "common state, society, or community". Whereas Collins talks of "different cultural or racial groups in a society".

The challenge for those who advocate multiculturalism, is to square the different in "different cultural or racial groups in a society", with OED's "coexistence of people with many cultural identities in a common state, society, or community".

People coexist in a harmonious society if they have common purpose. Multiculturalism celebrates diversity. So if you were landing from Mars, you might wonder how a society that celebrates difference could possibly achieve common purpose, a state of harmonious "coexistence" in a "common state, society, or community"

One might reasonably come to the conclusion that the cognitive dissonance at the heart of multiculturalism is the struggle in bridging common purpose with difference.

So what do you do?

The answer is simple, you ignore all evidence to the contrary and you Orwellian slogan it to death....

My particular favourite...

The left does have a wonderful way of bending language to mean whatever they want it to mean. Why address an issue when you can simply redefine it and slogan it away.

PS; Remember, if anyone shouts the king has no clothes, just call them a fascist, even better, an old white fascist.

Home. If I had to define what I mean about ‘Britishness’ it is home. It applies to any country, but I’ll stick to the one I know best and that is the UK.

What binds someone in Surrey, Scotland or Swansea? A deep sense that the UK is their home. It is where they belong. They may have different political views, religion or ethnic backgrounds but they can all recognise that the UK is the place in which they belong.

A group can feel and be alienated if they are treated officially and unofficially (albeit the latter feeds off the former), as if they didn’t belong. A group can slowly become accepted and they will start recognising that when they see themselves being represented, be it politics, business, the media or pop culture.

And it is a two way street. Just as the minority group will absorb some of the culture and manners of the country they now inhabit, so will the majority adopt customs, food of the minority until it becomes - to use the American phrase - a bit of a melting pot. I guess at the point the question is what does it mean to be British? Does it actually exist?

I think it does. There is a distinctly British way of looking at the world, a certain wry cynicism, it’s taking the piss out of your mates, a black humour when it’s really bad, a shared history even if it is seen from different viewpoints dependent on where your fore-bearers come from.

The UK is made up of four distinctive countries, some of whom will jeer the national anthem and all of whom like nothing better then thrashing the other at sport, yet we still have a common identity that (for want of a better word) overarches the differences. This diversity is what led to the UK becoming Great Britain, sometimes for good and sometimes for bad.

A culture needs diversity to thrive. It’s like genetics, breeding, or evolution, a culture needs new blood, new ideas, different ways of thinking otherwise it stagnates, becomes uniform and dies.

Diversity is strength. Sometimes the slogans are right.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The thread has taken a weird turn.

Just as a reminder, Braverman is still a **** with fascistic tendencies.

confirmed

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The thread has taken a weird turn.

Just as a reminder, Braverman is still a **** with fascistic tendencies.

She just a Tory being a Tory

 

[BobKowalski]

Sunak said he cleared Braverman’s speech…

 

[The perfect fumble]

Home. If I had to define what I mean about ‘Britishness’ it is home. It applies to any country, but I’ll stick to the one I know best and that is the UK.

What binds someone in Surrey, Scotland or Swansea? A deep sense that the UK is their home. It is where they belong. They may have different political views, religion or ethnic backgrounds but they can all recognise that the UK is the place in which they belong.

A group can feel and be alienated if they are treated officially and unofficially (albeit the latter feeds off the former), as if they didn’t belong. A group can slowly become accepted and they will start recognising that when they see themselves being represented, be it politics, business, the media or pop culture.

And it is a two way street. Just as the minority group will absorb some of the culture and manners of the country they now inhabit, so will the majority adopt customs, food of the minority until it becomes - to use the American phrase - a bit of a melting pot. I guess at the point the question is what does it mean to be British? Does it actually exist?

I think it does. There is a distinctly British way of looking at the world, a certain wry cynicism, it’s taking the piss out of your mates, a black humour when it’s really bad, a shared history even if it is seen from different viewpoints dependent on where your fore-bearers come from.

The UK is made up of four distinctive countries, some of whom will jeer the national anthem and all of whom like nothing better then thrashing the other at sport, yet we still have a common identity that (for want of a better word) overarches the differences. This diversity is what led to the UK becoming Great Britain, sometimes for good and sometimes for bad.

A culture needs diversity to thrive. It’s like genetics, breeding, or evolution, a culture needs new blood, new ideas, different ways of thinking otherwise it stagnates, becomes uniform and dies.

Diversity is strength. Sometimes the slogans are right.

We're not talking about the home nations, their identity and the things that bind them here on this island, their home, are millennia in the making.

As for....

A culture needs diversity to thrive. It’s like genetics, breeding, or evolution, a culture needs new blood, new ideas, different ways of thinking otherwise it stagnates, becomes uniform and dies.

That's melting pot not multiculturalism.

As for....

Diversity is strength. Sometimes the slogans are right.

But more often they're a lie.

 

[Vic]

When haven't we been multicultural? ("We" being the people who inhabit these islands now known as the British Isles.)

"We owe a great deal to the Beaker men and women who braved the treacherous English Channel in their rickety animal-skin boats – the earliest of many enterprising economic migrants risking their necks to reach Blighty." (From a review of https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09hr5pc/invasion-with-sam-willis-series-1-episode-1 )