Summer Transfers

[Dax777]

Except you said that they are (and I quote) "Defenders I'll take over Bonucci"

Yes. "In the top 5." The 4 posts prior to the one you quotedand he one you quoted formed a part of a back and forth on whether Bonnuci was a top 5 defender.

Following the list I wrote:
"Just to name a few CBs having far superior seasons to Bonnuci. And that also includes the often deemed Overrated Thiago Silva"

Clearly the point of the list and the thrust of the claim was to suggest Bonnuci was not having a top 5 season.

Even the portion you've quoted conveniently ignores the "this season" that precedes it.
Which suggests you got it but would rather argue over a strawman.

More fake news. But go on, I'm amused :)

 

[capiloton]

as for CB, i prefer VVD rather than Laporte and Bonucci.
because he familiar with this league, tested and can speak english.
he's got leadership quality, same goes with Stones too.
as quality as Bonucci, he's aging and can't speak english.
in his age, he will be struggle to adapt in this league, just like Bravo.
as Italian backline are very good when defensive deep,
i doubt Bonucci still got a pace to play high defensive lines.
he will be perfect signing for Conte, but not for Pep.

 

[Jazzman]

I think it is in general a bit of a risk signing defenders from the Serie A. The way they play football down there makes (not only) defenders look very good, and they could easily struggle in other leagues. To give a couple of examples of what I mean.
Mehdi Benatia was captain of AS Roma, and considered to be one of the best defenders in Italy, before he went to Bayern Munich. He never made it there being too slow and not technically up to speed.
Andrea Barzagli played for Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga between 2008 and 2011 and he wasn't very good there. In the end they shipped him back home to Italy as he was considered too old and slow for the Bundesliga. He has made a fine career at Juventus since then, not really suffering from soon being 36.

I know it is dangerous to generalize too much, but I am concerned that a player like Bonucci will not be half as good for us as he is for Juventus. I'd advocate against signing him, or any other Italian defender for that matter. It is in my humble opinion not a coincidence that old worn-out players like Evra, Klose etc. move to Italy and are able to prolong their careers with years after having to realize that their speed is no more adequate to other more physically demanding leagues.

 

[kun]

Yes. "In the top 5." The 4 posts prior to the one you quotedand he one you quoted formed a part of a back and forth on whether Bonnuci was a top 5 defender.

Following the list I wrote:
"Just to name a few CBs having far superior seasons to Bonnuci. And that also includes the often deemed Overrated Thiago Silva"

Clearly the point of the list and the thrust of the claim was to suggest Bonnuci was not having a top 5 season.

Even the portion you've quoted conveniently ignores the "this season" that precedes it.
Which suggests you got it but would rather argue over a strawman.

More fake news. But go on, I'm amused :)

Look I'm not even arsed about this argument but personally I do think Bonucci is a top 5 defender and has been from a few years now. I wasn't trying to manipulate you're post to win an argument It was just a v long post so I cut out the rest after you put the name Perrin.

Anyway, each to there own and all that, you've got your opinions so do I. Maybe I misinterpreted your post, if so then I apologise.

 

[kun]

as for CB, i prefer VVD rather than Laporte and Bonucci.
because he familiar with this league, tested and can speak english.
he's got leadership quality, same goes with Stones too.
as quality as Bonucci, he's aging and can't speak english.
in his age, he will be struggle to adapt in this league, just like Bravo.
as Italian backline are very good when defensive deep,
i doubt Bonucci still got a pace to play high defensive lines.
he will be perfect signing for Conte, but not for Pep.

"Premier League proven" signings:
Wilf Bony
Scott Sinclair
Jack Rodwell
Bacary Sagna
Joleon Lescott
John Stones
Raz Sterling
Fabian Delph
Owen Hargreaves
Gaël Clichy
James Milner
Samir Nasri
Roque Santa Cruz
Emmanuel Adebayor

Unproven signings:
Sergio Agüero
Yaya Touré
Vincent Kompany
David Silva
Claudio Bravo
Leroy Sané
Gabriel Jesus
Kevin De Bruyne
Nico Otamendi
Nolito
Ilkay Gündogan
Willy Caballero
Fernandinho
Alvaro Negredo
Jesus Navas

which list is more impressive?

 

[Dax777]

"Premier League proven" signings:
Wilf Bony
Scott Sinclair
Jack Rodwell
Bacary Sagna
Joleon Lescott
John Stones
Raz Sterling
Fabian Delph
Owen Hargreaves
Gaël Clichy
James Milner
Samir Nasri
Roque Santa Cruz
Emmanuel Adebayor

Unproven signings:
Sergio Agüero
Yaya Touré
Vincent Kompany
David Silva
Claudio Bravo
Leroy Sané
Gabriel Jesus
Kevin De Bruyne
Nico Otamendi
Nolito
Ilkay Gündogan
Willy Caballero
Fernandinho
Alvaro Negredo
Jesus Navas

which list is more impressive?

Ouch.

 

[pudge]

"Premier League proven" signings:
Wilf Bony
Scott Sinclair
Jack Rodwell
Bacary Sagna
Joleon Lescott
John Stones
Raz Sterling
Fabian Delph
Owen Hargreaves
Gaël Clichy
James Milner
Samir Nasri
Roque Santa Cruz
Emmanuel Adebayor

Unproven signings:
Sergio Agüero
Yaya Touré
Vincent Kompany
David Silva
Claudio Bravo
Leroy Sané
Gabriel Jesus
Kevin De Bruyne
Nico Otamendi
Nolito
Ilkay Gündogan
Willy Caballero
Fernandinho
Alvaro Negredo
Jesus Navas

which list is more impressive?

You could put Tevez in the proven list in fairness, one of our best ever.

 

[kun]

You could put Tevez in the proven list in fairness, one of our best ever.

True. Did miss Tevez, but still wouldn't make up for Kun, Merlin, Yaya, Zab and KdB.

Could have also included Hart and de Jong in the unproven list too.

 

[pudge]

True. Did miss Tevez, but still wouldn't make up for Kun, Merlin, Yaya, Zab and KdB.

Could have also included Hart and de Jong in the unproven list too.

I agree with the principle but there is something to be said for being Prem tested, whether it be just avoiding the speed bumps that come with getting used to the league; some players, wherever they play, just suit it like Fernandinho for example.

Hart was loaned to Birmingham before it was decided he'd be our number one.

Each player's different sure, it's more about their own quality as opposed to their league's after all.

 

[Jazzman]

"Premier League proven" signings:
Wilf Bony
Scott Sinclair
Jack Rodwell
Bacary Sagna
Joleon Lescott
John Stones
Raz Sterling
Fabian Delph
Owen Hargreaves
Gaël Clichy
James Milner
Samir Nasri
Roque Santa Cruz
Emmanuel Adebayor

Unproven signings:
Sergio Agüero
Yaya Touré
Vincent Kompany
David Silva
Claudio Bravo
Leroy Sané
Gabriel Jesus
Kevin De Bruyne
Nico Otamendi
Nolito
Ilkay Gündogan
Willy Caballero
Fernandinho
Alvaro Negredo
Jesus Navas

which list is more impressive?

Clearly the unproven list, but that doesn't really address the point the OP was making which was about Bonucci being almost 30 and playing in a league that is very kind to ageing and slower players. How many on your list was Italian centre backs?

 

[kun]

Clearly the unproven list, but that doesn't really address the point the OP was making which was about Bonucci being almost 30 and playing in a league that is very kind to ageing and slower players. How many on your list was Italian centre backs?

You are right. Bonucci may struggle, I mean I think he's good enough to adapt pretty quickly and the language barrier has never really been a problem for our big name signings.

I just hate the whole "sign this player bc he's proven in the Prem" nonsense. Most of our worst signings have been "Prem Proven".

 

[Jazzman]

You are right. Bonucci may struggle, I mean I think he's good enough to adapt pretty quickly and the language barrier has never really been a problem for our big name signings.

I just hate the whole "sign this player bc he's proven in the Prem" nonsense. Most of our worst signings have been "Prem Proven".

I agree

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Charlie Adam has just come out and said roughly what i have Jack Butland. i do not believe Hart has gone for his on field exploits , and he is better by a long way than what we have but so is Butland, and of course he still has 10 years left to play

 

[Cityfan]

"Premier League proven" signings:
Wilf Bony
Scott Sinclair
Jack Rodwell
Bacary Sagna
Joleon Lescott
John Stones
Raz Sterling
Fabian Delph
Owen Hargreaves
Gaël Clichy
James Milner
Samir Nasri
Roque Santa Cruz
Emmanuel Adebayor

Unproven signings:
Sergio Agüero
Yaya Touré
Vincent Kompany
David Silva
Claudio Bravo
Leroy Sané
Gabriel Jesus
Kevin De Bruyne
Nico Otamendi
Nolito
Ilkay Gündogan
Willy Caballero
Fernandinho
Alvaro Negredo
Jesus Navas

which list is more impressive?

Apart from missing Tevez and Barry from the PL list you also miss out every Italian signing which is more appropriate when considering Bonnucci, this would include amongst others Jovetic, Ballotelli Maicon Nastasic Kolarov a somewhat less auspicious list than the ones you print and that is forgetting some of our earlier signings like Biancci, Dabo or Corradi.

 

[City_Sean]

Bonucci would be absolutely perfect for us, I'd have no worries about his ability to settle in.

 

[cibaman]

Apologies if already mentioned, but it seems we're being linked with Ben Gibson according to the OS. Thoughts?

 

[citizens_1976]

Apart from missing Tevez and Barry from the PL list you also miss out every Italian signing which is more appropriate when considering Bonnucci, this would include amongst others Jovetic, Ballotelli Maicon Nastasic Kolarov a somewhat less auspicious list than the ones you print and that is forgetting some of our earlier signings like Biancci, Dabo or Corradi.

But when you weigh it up, most of our best players came from outside the premier leagur, our core if you like.

Vincent Kompany - Hamburg
Yaya Toure - Barcelona
Pablo Zabaleta - Espanyol
David Silva - Valencia
Sergio Aguero - Atletico Madrid
Kevin De Bruyne - Wolfsburg

Seriously, where would we be without most of these players, if not all of them?

Teams are always going to sign good players and bad players abroad, but if you weigh it up the success rate of buying outside the premier league is much higher than buying premier league proven players. Having said that, I would take Alexis Sanchez in a heartbeat, but my gripe is we need technical players to play the Guardiola way, most british players don't possess the football brain Pep wants. Having said that, our academy teams look like they are being coached the proper pep way of playing. So its simple, buy from abroad, bring homegrown through the academy and don't piss your money down the drain on british premier league players.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Apologies if already mentioned, but it seems we're being linked with Ben Gibson according to the OS. Thoughts?

i think he'd be class tbh, very good defender. boro have an excellent defensive record. if it was for a squad place i think he'd be worth it. an all english pairing of stones and gibson would be nice to see.

 

[RayCTID]

Ben Gibson wouldn't be the greatest of signings but if Pep can work with and improve the player then fair enough.

 

[1894southstander]

Apologies if already mentioned, but it seems we're being linked with Ben Gibson according to the OS. Thoughts?

Think he would be a good signing. Left footed and young. Him and Stones could build a good partnership over the next few years if we bought him.