Summer Transfers

I like some of your assessment, but the one thing I don't think Pep will ever settle for is 1 formation. He's a tactical chameleon. I also agree we need a quick CB that can deal with the likes of Vardy and Son on counter attacks. They have to be good in the air when the opposition try to lump it to their striker and also good at interceptions. I'm just not sold on Upamecano.
Fair enough. Yeah I agree about changing it up, but usually our go to formation is 433 with inverted wingbacks. But if we let rodri drop between the CB's and push up our offensively excellent fullbacks we'll be less vulnerable on the counter attack and we have 2 players providind width. Most team have realised that they can keep it compact and counter our standard 433, so something probably needs to be done. So using 3ATB more frequently would make us less predictable and more direct I think, especially in games against park the bus teams like united. They're really low compact block and the counter merchants

Upamecano may not be a world beater (yet), but there are not many CB's that we can realistically sign that are fast, physical, young and decent with their feet. Those that I listed on my original post are the only one's I think that would improve us that are realistic signings. One thing that works in our favour as we search for a partner to Laporte is that he's very flexible. If he plays with a weaker and passive CB like Stones he can step forward and be the more aggressive one. If he plays with a hothead that falls to the ground like Otamendi he becomes more passive.
 
Fair enough. Yeah I agree about changing it up, but usually our go to formation is 433 with inverted wingbacks. But if we let rodri drop between the CB's and push up our offensively excellent fullbacks we'll be less vulnerable on the counter attack and we have 2 players providind width. Most team have realised that they can keep it compact and counter our standard 433, so something probably needs to be done. So using 3ATB more frequently would make us less predictable and more direct I think, especially in games against park the bus teams like united. They're really low compact block and the counter merchants

Upamecano may not be a world beater (yet), but there are not many CB's that we can realistically sign that are fast, physical, young and decent with their feet. Those that I listed on my original post are the only one's I think that would improve us that are realistic signings. One thing that works in our favour as we search for a partner to Laporte is that he's very flexible. If he plays with a weaker and passive CB like Stones he can step forward and be the more aggressive one. If he plays with a hothead that falls to the ground like Otamendi he becomes more passive.

If we play a back 3 with Rodri in the middle that means at least 1 of the #8's will have to play as a double pivot.
------------------------------Kun/Jesus----------------------------
-----------------Sterling------------------Mahrez--------------------
Mendy-------------------------------------------------------------Cancelo
------------------------Gundo--------KDB/Bernardo---------------------
----------Laporte---------------Rodri---------------------?--------------

I don't like KDB/Bernardo playing further back. They are better in attack, but you can't play a single pivot with 3 at the back. So this means the 2 pivots will be the ones holding and defending more. Maybe putting Dinho next to Gundo and playing KDB/Bernardo instead of Mahrez may work.

However we do play variants of this when Mendy or Cancelo is in the squad as a back 4 anyway.
Mendy--------Sterling-----------Kun/Jesus-------------------------------
------------Dave----------------------------------------KDB----------------
---------Gundo/Rodri---------------------Walker------------------Mahrez
-----------------------Laporte-------------------?-------------------------
When we attack in the final 3rd on the left there are times when the LB joins high up in the attack. The left side #8 (Dave) will try to link up with the winger (Sterling) who plays more like an inside forward and Mendy is the outlet for width. This is how to try to create an overload on the left. Gundo/Rodri will hold behind the 3 and Walker shifts over. He's basically the DM at this point. Walker's speed is used to break up counters. Mahrez stays deeper and almost becomes the default RB on counters. Sometimes it's Kev if Mahrez joins the attack.

You're right a lot of teams park the bus. I think that they realize that unless they have a organized press like pool and can sustain it for the entire game they can't press high on us. They'd get ripped apart. So they're more inclined to drop back and counter. Lot of teams are defending with a back 5. No matter what our formation is and how we play, it's always hard to break down a low block and we might not always get through. That's why Pep will change formations, switching the wingers around and changes the attack during games.

No doubt the lack of good CB's along with Cancelo, Rodri, even Mendy pretty much new is the reason why we were so frail against counters. I think someone like Unai Núñez although not perfect would better suit us than Upamecano.
 
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SO FOR 20/21 SEASON:

Forwards[9]
LW
  • #7 Raheem Sterling(25) - starter
  • #11 Jayden Braaf(18)
  • #19 Morgan Rogers(18)
ST
  • #10 Sergio Agüero(32) - starter
  • #9 Gabriel Jesus(23) - starter
  • #23 Thiago Almada(19) [New]
RW
  • #26 Riyad Mahrez(29) - starter
  • #24 Mohamed Ihattaren(18) [New]
  • #29 Amad Traoré(18) [New]

Midfielders[8]
LCAM
  • #21 Phil Foden(20) - starter
  • #8 Houssem Aouar(22) - starter [New]
  • #28 Adrian Bernabé(19)
CDM
  • #16 Rodri(24) - starter
  • #6 Eduardo Camavinga(18) [New]
RCAM
  • #17 Kevin de Bruyne(29) - starter
  • #20 Bernardo Silva(26) - starter
  • #18 Tommy Doyle(19)

Defenders[12]
LB
  • #3 Ben Mendy(26) - starter
  • #13 Rayan Ait-Nouri(19) [New]
CB
  • #4 Aymeric Laporte(26) - starter
  • #25 Fernandinho(35) - starter
  • #5 Alessandro Bastoni(21) [New]
  • #15 Eric Garcia(19)
  • #34 Philippe Sandler(23)
  • # Tanguy Kouassi(18) [New]
  • #14 Taylor Harwood-Bellis(18)
RB
  • #2 Kyle Walker(30) - starter
  • #27 Joao Cancelo(26) - starter
  • #12 Yan Couto(18)

SQUAD SIZE: 29 Players
AVERAGE AGE:
22.7 Years Old

Overall Transfers(Summer)
Out(6 Players)

  • David Silva(Free)
  • Leroy Sané
  • John Stones
  • Oleksandr Zinchenko
  • Ilkay Gundogan
  • Nicolas Otamendi
In(8 Players For £270-300M)
  • Houssem Aouar(22) - £50M
  • Thiago Almada(19) - £20M
  • Amad Traoré(18) - £20M
  • Rayan Ait-Nouri(19) - £25M
  • Mohamed Ihattaren(18) - £35M
  • Eduardo Camavinga(18) - £60M
  • Alessandro Bastoni(21) - £60M
  • Tanguy Kouassi(18) - No Fee
  • Adrian Bernabé(19)
  • Jayden Braaf(18)
  • Tommy Doyle(19)
  • Morgan Rogers(18)
  • Taylor Harwood-Bellis(18)
  • Yan Couto(18)
  • Philippe Sandler(23)
"Before any new player arrives, City should reward the deserving players with a promotion up the squad list and squad number upgrade"


AND FOR THE 21/22 SEASON:


Forwards[9]
LW
  • Thiago Almada(20)
  • Morgan Rogers(19)
  • Samuel Edozie(18)
  • Jayden Braaf(19, Sold if great offer comes in)
  • Raheem Sterling(26, Sold to Real Madrid)
ST
  • Gabriel Jesus(24) - starter
  • Mohamed Ihattaren(19)
  • Liam Delap(18)
  • Sergio Aguero(33, Leave)
RW
  • Riyad Mahrez(30) - starter
  • Adrian Bernabé(20)
  • Amad Traoré(19)

Midfielders[8]
LCAM
  • Phil Foden(21) - starter
  • Houssem Aouar(23) - starter
  • Cole Palmer(19)
CDM
  • Rodri(25) - starter
  • Eduardo Camavinga(19)
RCAM
  • Kevin de Bruyne(30) - starter
  • Bernardo Silva(27) - starter
  • Tommy Doyle(20)

Defenders[12]
LB
  • Ben Mendy(27) - starter
  • Rayan Ait-Nouri(20)
  • [Academy Left-Back]
CB
  • Aymeric Laporte(27) - starter
  • Eric Garcia(20)
  • Philippe Sandler(24)
  • Alessandro Bastoni(22)
  • Tanguy Kouassi(19)
  • Taylor Harwood-Bellis (19)
  • Fernandinho(35, Leave)
RB
  • Joao Cancelo(27) - starter
  • Yan Couto(19)
  • Pedro Porro(22)
  • Kyle Walker(31, Sold)
SQUAD SIZE: 29 Players
AVERAGE AGE:
22 Years Old


And of course if none of our youth options are good enough to replace the impact of Raheem Sterling and Sergio Aguero Leaving the team in summer 2021, then we'll dip in the transfer market.

Would Delap come into the reckoning in two years time, and what price did we get for Raheem Sterling?
 
I thinks it’s a bit distasteful of all clubs to be spunking loads of money out this season so for me it should be money spent based on how much we get in on sales. We have enough players to manage don’t we?
 
Would Delap come into the reckoning in two years time, and what price did we get for Raheem Sterling?
Of course I'm a bit too optimistic, and this and my other post is assuming they all progress close to the expected rate.

But I reckon yes for Delap, he's a talented and complete striker, and has the potential to be 3rd choice in a season or so.

And Sterling could go for £130-150M If he regains his 2019 form next season.

There have been the obvious rumours of Sterling to Madrid. But think of it from Sterling's perspective, does he want to play in England for most of his Prime years?

If not when would be the best time for him to move? He's going to be 26.5 yrs old in summer 2021.

I Remember mahrez saying he regrets not being able to move to City(or another contender) at 25/26 yrs old.

I feel like Hazard would've felt the same way.

If we plan this transfer window correctly, and the new players progress as expected, Then we could afford to let Sterling leave because we already have his replacements in the team.

The Window of opportunity for a star player to make the perfect move at the perfect time is tiny and ever changing. So wait one transfer windows too late and it's gone.

So the next logical question is would Madrid sign him? As I've said before I'm a bit too optimistic, but I think yes. Both Sterling and Mbappé in 2021 if possible.

Looking at Real's Forwards(summer 2020):
LW

  • Hazard (29)
  • Vinicius (20)
  • Vasquez(29)
RW
  • Asensio (24)
  • Rodrygo (19)
  • Bale (31)

And in Summer 2021
LW



    • Hazard (30)
    • Sterling (26)
    • Vinicius (21)
RW



    • Mbappe (22)
    • Asensio (25)
    • Rodrygo (20)
Benzema Will likely be gone. And Jovic(if he's good enough) as the main Striker
 
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If we play a back 3 with Rodri in the middle that mean at least 1 of the #8 will have to play as a double pivot.
------------------------------Kun/Jesus----------------------------
-----------------Sterling------------------Mahrez--------------------
Mendy-------------------------------------------------------------Cancelo
------------------------Gundo--------KDB/Bernardo---------------------
----------Laporte---------------Rodri---------------------?--------------

I don't like KDB/Bernardo playing further back. They are better in attack, but you can't play a single pivot with 3 at the back. So this means the 2 pivots will be the ones holding and defending more. Maybe putting Dinho next to Gundo and playing KDB/Bernardo instead of Mahrez may work.

However we do play variants of this when Mendy or Cancelo is in the squad as a back 4 anyway.
Mendy--------Sterling-----------Kun/Jesus-------------------------------
------------Dave----------------------------------------KDB----------------
---------Gundo/Rodri---------------------Walker------------------Mahrez
-----------------------Laporte-------------------?-------------------------
When we attack in the final 3rd on the left there are times when the LB joins high up in the attack. The left side #8 (Dave) will try to link up with the winger (Sterling) who plays more like an inside forward and Mendy is the outlet for width. This is how to try to create an overload on the left. Gundo/Rodri will hold behind the 3 and Walker shifts over. He's basically the DM at this point. Walker's speed is used to break up counters. Mahrez stays deeper and almost becomes the default RB on counters. Sometimes it's Kev if Mahrez joins the attack.

You're right a lot of teams park the bus. I think that they realize that unless they have a organized press like pool and can sustain it for the entire game they can't press high on us. They'd get ripped apart. So they're more inclined to drop back and counter. Lot of teams are defending with a back 5. No matter what our formation is and how we play, it's always hard to break down a low block and we might not always get through. That's why Pep will change formations, switching the wingers around and changes the attack during games.

No doubt the lack of good CB's along with Cancelo, Rodri, even Mendy pretty much new is the reason why we were so frail against counters. I think someone like Unai Núñez although not perfect would better suit us than Upamecano.
I mean 3421 is just a modified version of the 433. The only thing is that the midfield sit a bit deeper and the wingbacks are allowed to join the attack more instead of being tucked in. Rodri is a part of the back three to compensate for the wingbacks going forward. The drawbacks would be that both Bernardo and KDB would sit a bit deeper, but Bernardo is world class at progressing the ball and Kev as we all now is the world's best at long passes and low crosses so it shouldn't be too much of a compensation when the advantage are two wingbacks providing width and crosses similar to Sané
 
Of course I'm a bit too optimistic, and this and my other post is assuming they all progress close to the expected rate.

But I reckon yes for Delap, he's a talented and complete striker, and has the potential to be 3rd choice in a season or so.

And Sterling could go for £130-150M If he regains his 2019 form next season.

There have been the obvious rumours of Sterling to Madrid. But think of it from Sterling's perspective, does he want to play in England for most of his Prime years?

If not when would be the best time for him to move? He's going to be 26.5 yrs old in summer 2021.

I Remember mahrez saying he regrets not being able to move to City(or another contender) at 25/26 yrs old.

I feel like Hazard would've felt the same way.

If we plan this transfer window correctly, and the new players progress as expected, Then we could afford to let Sterling leave because we already have his replacements in the team.

The Window of opportunity for a star player to make the perfect move at the perfect time is tiny and ever changing. So wait one transfer windows too late and it's gone.

So the next logical question is would Madrid sign him? As I've said before I'm a bit too optimistic, but I think yes. Both Sterling and Mbappé in 2021 if possible.

Looking at Real's Forwards(summer 2020):
LW

  • Hazard (29)
  • Vinicius (20)
  • Vasquez(29)
RW
  • Asensio (24)
  • Rodrygo (19)
  • Bale (31)

And in Summer 2021
LW



    • Hazard (30)
    • Sterling (26)
    • Vinicius (21)
RW



    • Mbappe (22)
    • Asensio (25)
    • Rodrygo (20)
Benzema Will likely be gone. And Jovic(if he's good enough) as the main Striker
You're a fucking crackpot, this is even funnier than the original bollocks.
 
I mean 3421 is just a modified version of the 433. The only thing is that the midfield sit a bit deeper and the wingbacks are allowed to join the attack more instead of being tucked in. Rodri is a part of the back three to compensate for the wingbacks going forward. The drawbacks would be that both Bernardo and KDB would sit a bit deeper, but Bernardo is world class at progressing the ball and Kev as we all now is the world's best at long passes and low crosses so it shouldn't be too much of a compensation when the advantage are two wingbacks providing width and crosses similar to Sané
Yeah I agree that we should go 3 at the back in certain games. It depends on the opponent and how they play. I still don't think Bernardo should be in a double pivot. I think his passing has a bit to be desired at times. Perhaps Aouar if he were to come.
 
I thinks it’s a bit distasteful of all clubs to be spunking loads of money out this season so for me it should be money spent based on how much we get in on sales. We have enough players to manage don’t we?
Not really mate, best case scenario for leavers,
Bravo £0
Nico £7m-£15m
Cancelo maybe a swap deal or £30m
ish
Walker £30m or will the club not punish him
D.silva £0
Sane hopefully £80m+
Also ?s over stones, mendy, zinch.
A fair few loanees we could sell like Robert's, etc

At a guess £150m ish

So we at least need
1 x gk maybe steffan if not injured to bad
1 x rb hopefully couto is decent and a semedo swap.
1 x cb £50m-£100m
1 x cdm unless ferna goes back up to rodri £50m
1 x lw/rw £50m upwards
You could argue 1 x am coz gundogan isnt great in that position. £50m

Maybe £200m-£300m

Then next season we have at least ferna, kun, gundogan.
 
I mean 3421 is just a modified version of the 433. The only thing is that the midfield sit a bit deeper and the wingbacks are allowed to join the attack more instead of being tucked in. Rodri is a part of the back three to compensate for the wingbacks going forward. The drawbacks would be that both Bernardo and KDB would sit a bit deeper, but Bernardo is world class at progressing the ball and Kev as we all now is the world's best at long passes and low crosses so it shouldn't be too much of a compensation when the advantage are two wingbacks providing width and crosses similar to Sané
We could always play a 352 with a midfield trio of Rodri, De Bruyne and Foden/Bernardo; supported by one of the front two dropping deeper to provide a 4th central midfielder. Equally one of the front two could drift out wide and allow the wingback on that side to invert to create the 4th central midfielder. Either way it would allow one or both attacking midfielders (KDB and Foden/Bernardo) the freedom to get into the box or wherever is most effective.

On a side note why not bring back Adaradiayo instead of going for Upamecano? They've got a very similar skillset (tall, quick, strong, good in possession). The only advantage Upamecano has is that he's had the opportunity at the top level. I'm not saying Adaradiayo would flourish if we gave him the opportunity but equally I see no reason why he wouldn't with better players around him. All the evidence (@twosips and Blackburn fans I know) seem to believe he's really blossomed and matured, plus he's one of our own. There's absolutely no reason not to give him an opportunity before spending more money on a very similar player, in my opinion.
 

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