Sunderland Vs City Post Match Thread

[ShieldsBlackCat]

Said to my Sunderland mate that I could run your club better than those in charge, saying that an amoeba could. To be honest, any club that thinks Kaboul and Coates is a suitable CB pairing deserves automatic relegation as punishment. Sunderland should have ditched the lot, O'Shea, Cattermole, Larsson etc. You've wasted money on countless players, most recently Defoe, who was a ridiculous signing. Mid-table clubs in particular have to be careful, because I feel a lot of their success is based around having a hungry core of players who want to play for the club and prove their point, players who to start with at least may not otherwise be in the Premier League. I think you have to be careful in buying too many bigger name players who are there for the paycheck and not to prove a point, I think you need a really strong manager to elicit a response. If you look at Stoke and Swansea, they largely mix a strong core with talented players who have a point to prove. Afellay, Shaqiri, Sigurdsson etc. all had a point to prove from their previous clubs, and Hughes in particular has that experience from making it work with the likes of Bellamy and Santa Cruz.

Sunderland don't have that, you have a core of Liverpool, United and City cast-offs who want the £40/50k a week more than they want to play. They turn up in March precisely to stay up and ensure they get that wage packet the following season. If Sunderland go down, they need to sack the lot of, and bring in a young, hungry, attack minded manager, and stack the deck by using their increased resources to create an expansive, attacking side. The last time we went down, we came back up by scoring 100 goals and conceding 50, we had an average away record but were lethal at home. You need to get back to basics, sack off most of the squad and bring in players who want to step up to Sunderland, or have a point to prove, and a manager of similar ilk. Advocaat has nothing to prove, and wanted to leave last summer, he's not really arsed, neither are your players.

Clear the wage bill, clear the squad, build an expansive team of players who consider it a step up to play for Sunderland, and bring in a manager with ambition and a point to prove, and you'll be back on track. With only 2 clubs in the North East, it's ridiculous Sunderland are struggling in relation to the likes of Swansea, and are failing to produce any real young talent as well with the lack of real rivals in the area. You're badly managed, and it's seeped over many years throughout the club.

That's why some Sunderland fans pretty much can't wait for relegation it seems. Because of what it means. Only relegation will force a clear-out of the magnitude needed to wipe the slate totally clean. I collect antique silver and I know from experience if you buy something with years of caked on dirt and tarnish it can be a mare' to get off. It can take ages of hard elbow grease. Same with SAFC. There has been such a build up of negative attitudes and bad transfer policy that one summer alone won't shift it all. It will take I think a massive and severe tectonic shift at the SoL to get rid of the deadwood and all that ingrained bad mentalities. Such a change only a relegation can bring. OK we won't get promoted overnight. It may take 2, 3 or 4 seasons I think but I think the club can buy hungry, talent and appoint am equally hungry and young manager to oversee them and over time see them bed themselves in and start to improve the side. Like we saw with Southampton when they went up.

 

[worsleyweb]

That's why some Sunderland fans pretty much can't wait for relegation it seems. Because of what it means. Only relegation will force a clear-out of the magnitude needed to wipe the slate totally clean. I collect antique silver and I know from experience if you buy something with years of caked on dirt and tarnish it can be a mare' to get off. It can take ages of hard elbow grease. Same with SAFC. There has been such a build up of negative attitudes and bad transfer policy that one summer alone won't shift it all. It will take I think a massive and severe tectonic shift at the SoL to get rid of the deadwood and all that ingrained bad mentalities. Such a change only a relegation can bring. OK we won't get promoted overnight. It may take 2, 3 or 4 seasons I think but I think the club can buy hungry, talent and appoint am equally hungry and young manager to oversee them and over time see them bed themselves in and start to improve the side. Like we saw with Southampton when they went up.

Only one thing wrong with the relegation plan - money.

 

[niall'sdiscoshorts]

A poster about two pages after that post literally said the same thing and was given a proper answer.

Guess "reading the thread" is one of those old fashioned things whereas diving in with two feet like an idiot determined to stick the boot in is en vogue for Bluemoon's dimmer lights

No poster about 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, 10 pages after that Literally said the same thing.
Maybe reading the thread again my jog your memory.

Calling people an idiot and stupid does not give you the upper hand, it just makes
you look weak.

 

[mosssideblue]

Roberts should definitely have started over Navas.

Based on what?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

A poster about two pages after that post literally said the same thing and was given a proper answer.

Guess "reading the thread" is one of those old fashioned things whereas diving in with two feet like an idiot determined to stick the boot in is en vogue for Bluemoon's dimmer lights

Fucking hell, Dammers, you're a good poster most of the time but you let yourself down badly when you jump on your 'give youth more of a chance' hobby horse.

I keep telling you and telling you. There are some seriously qualified professionals ,including people you have routinely admired like Txiki and Marwood, who are taking the Calls about the integration of the young guns into our squad. One of them scored the winner in the premier league last week and is now an important part of the squad. Three of them made their debuts in a no-pressure situation last night and played alongside our world class starts, giving their confidence a massive boost.

If we'd started those players we could have lost, like we did against Middlesbrough and Newcastle. And their confidence could have been badly dented. And then there would have been NO MORE CAPITOL ONE CUP GAMES to keep blooding them, integrating them, teaching them.

We also have other priorities to juggle alongside that 1970s 'give kids a chance' attitude. De Bruyne and Syerling are learning to gel into our team. Aguero needs fitness and form. fernando and Demichelis need to be kept Matchfit and motivated for when we need them.

You need to stop listening to the daft tittle tattle which has been doing the rounds on the touch lines of our youth games for 20 years. There is some proper science going into he integration of these kids and last night was another big part of it going on right before your eyes. Yet your predjudices blinded you to it completely.

Where is your evidence that we aren't goving youth enough of a chance? Where are the players who've had enough and moved on to prove themselves at other top clubs? Where are our Kevin De Bruynes? the Scottish second division or Ukrainian league don't count.

 

[mosssideblue]

Exactly, he's a coward. If we go out with a strongest possible team then it's the team's fault but if we go out with the strongest team and 4 youth players then it's the manager's fault. People here have bought into the totally false narrative that our young players would significantly increase the chance of us losing. That's rubbish. I'd have Barker in front of Navas every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I'd have every single player in the entire world, fictional or non-fictional, no matter what the age or current living status in front of Fernando who I think is absolutely bobbins.

Aguero needs less game time and not more. He needs consistently playing in the Premier League, not in a League Cup game. And we wonder why he's constantly injured now? I have no idea why De Bruyne needed game time as he's had a full pre-season and played games at Wolfsburg before coming here then has been on the bench or on the pitch for every eligible game.

I accept your passion regarding using youngsters ( I don't agree though, but that is my opinion) but thinking some are already better than our current squad is IMO, nonsense.

 

[mosssideblue]

Fucking hell, Dammers, you're a good poster most of the time but you let yourself down badly when you jump on your 'give youth more of a chance' hobby horse.

I keep telling you and telling you. There are some seriously qualified professionals ,including people you have routinely admired like Txiki and Marwood, who are taking the Calls about the integration of the young guns into our squad. One of them scored the winner in the premier league last week and is now an important part of the squad. Three of them made their debuts in a no-pressure situation last night and played alongside our world class starts, giving their confidence a massive boost.

If we'd started those players we could have lost, like we did against Middlesbrough and Newcastle. And their confidence could have been badly dented. And then there would have been NO MORE CAPITOL ONE CUP GAMES to keep blooding them, integrating them, teaching them.

We also have other priorities to juggle alongside that 1970s 'give kids a chance' attitude. De Bruyne and Syerling are learning to gel into our team. Aguero needs fitness and form. fernando and Demichelis need to be kept Matchfit and motivated for when we need them.

You need to stop listening to the daft tittle tattle which has been doing the rounds on the touch lines of our youth games for 20 years. There is some proper science going into he integration of these kids and last night was another big part of it going on right before your eyes. Yet your predjudices blinded you to it completely.

Where is your evidence that we aren't goving youth enough of a chance? Where are the players who've had enough and moved on to prove themselves at other top clubs? Where are our Kevin De Bruynes? the Scottish second division or Ukrainian league don't count.

Top post DD and hits the nail well on the head.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Based on what?

Based on the square root of fuck all, like with all of these whinging clowns.

We are in the next round. Our new players are gelling. We have stopped the rot. We got no injuries. We gave squad players a run out. And we have THREE fucking debuts to kids as young as 17. Kids who have moved up a serious notch in their development, by coming on and knocking it around like that, instead of getting mugged off by Johnson or Borino, maybe losing is a trophy and going back a notch like plenty of debutants who were thrown in the deep end back when we were shit.

It pisses me off. I've heard it for years. It shows no vision, no ability to see the bigger picture. It's always 'give them a go, see how they get on' when that mindset went out of fashion with swales's cuban heels. The integration of players is now understood to be a lot more scientific than that moronic 'chuck em in' attitude which more offend breaks players than makes them.

This club is the best run in England. We have invested hundreds of millions in a youth setup. There are some real football minds, with entire careers at stake, cleverly ensuring that we get it right, and we clearly and obviously are doing.

We have a big squad for a reason: to compete in four trophies. Results and youth integration have to be balanced so that results are not seriously compromised. Last night was the perfect example.

 

[Ducado]

Based on the square root of fuck all, like with all of these whinging clowns.

We are in the next round. Our new players are gelling. We have stopped the rot. We got no injuries. We gave squad players a run out. And we have THREE fucking debuts to kids as young as 17. Kids who have moved up a serious notch in their development, by coming on and knocking it around like that, instead of getting mugged off by Johnson or Borino, maybe losing is a trophy and going back a notch like plenty of debutants who were thrown in the deep end back when we were shit.

It pisses me off. I've heard it for years. It shows no vision, no ability to see the bigger picture. It's always 'give them a go, see how they get on' when that mindset went out of fashion with swales's cuban heels. The integration of players is now understood to be a lot more scientific than that moronic 'chuck em in' attitude which more offend breaks players than makes them.

This club is the best run in England. We have invested hundreds of millions in a youth setup. There are some real football minds, with entire careers at stake, cleverly ensuring that we get it right, and we clearly and obviously are doing.

We have a big squad for a reason: to compete in four trophies. Results and youth integration have to be balanced so that results are not seriously compromised. Last night was the perfect example.

Spot on that, there was a lot more at play last night for one the moral of the team after two defeats and the bedding in of new and returning players

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Spot on that, there was a lot more at play last night for one the moral of the team after two defeats and the bedding in of new and returning players

Agreed. I would have maybe given Evans and Garcia a few more minutes though when winning 4-0.