Support Pep

Will always support him. He’s been the best thing to happen to this club. He’ll go down as the game’s greatest ever manager when he pulls down the curtain on his career.

He’s a stubborn bastard though and I’d have loved him to change the tactics employed of late but who am I?

If he’s adamant (queue gifs) that this is the way we’re playing then that’s that.

Needs to be a noisy one on Wednesday.
 
I don't know why this is even a thread, there hasn't and won't be anything other than full support for Pep and the team on the terraces. He's the primary cause of this capitulation and criticism is warranted but that won't come from fans in the grounds.
 
ninjamonkey said:
I don't know why this is even a thread, there hasn't and won't be anything other than full support for Pep and the team on the terraces. He's the primary cause of this capitulation and criticism is warranted but that won't come from fans in the grounds.
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How the fuck is he the primary cause ? We have had a whole first team out injured at the same time , lost the world and our most important player , kev out for several months and players playing with injuries and trying to get them match fit
 
Blue Til Death said:
Pep knows we’ve got his back, the only people unduly criticising and taking the piss out of him
For his passion are keyboard warriors, tourists
& WUMS.. He’s the best there has ever been, changed football forever for the better and won us a shed load of trophies ….
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Criticizing Pep is not evidence of not having his back. Nobody wants him gone. And he is eternally loved.

But we recognize his genius and need him to tap in and fix things.In my opinion, some of the problem is a talent issue. But lots of it isn't. And Pep ought to attempt to fix it.

Ability to break a press: Has degraded significantly. We don't have passing patterns designed to do this anymore. We have players getting the ball then guessing where to play it. This is mostly a structure and pattern issue. Pep should fix it.

Ability to make team's pay for pressing: Teams used to press us less a few years ago ( even after our ability to break presses had begun to erode) because once we successfully broke an aggressive pressure our "press break counter attacks," were deadly. So the risk of pressing is far outweighed the potential rewards. Nowadays even after we break a press we mostly just resort to a turgid middle of the field slow pass around that sometimes resulted in returning it back to defenders to get put under a press again.

So the risk of pressing is is now non-existent as we don't carry a scary counter attack anymore. Slow midfielders with excessive touches plus defensive players with risk adverse touches causes this. This too is part talent and part structure. Pep can fix the structure part.

Our Press: the part of our game that has regressed the most. Our press when the other team plays out of the back. This is the most painful part of our regression.

1) more teams pass out of the back now, even bottom table teams. Their Managers are all Pep-ites. So they demand it even from poor ball playing defenders. Yet our press is now so weak and so disorganized that we often fail to muster the most basic of pressure against most teams.

Liverpool over the weekend made 3 errors passing out of the back but we were so disjointed and half asses in our press that no one was even close to the ball to capitalize on the missed passes.

Lots of the problem here is Haaland. Who has an aversion to team pressing concepts. And always half-ass his press. Always starts late, and never finishes the press loop aggressively. Then Phil sees him and just doesn't bother to pickup the 2nd man and for some reason our CMs simply sit at the hallway line with the CBs a d never step into the space and close the free man or our Fullback close the man on the line.

This press failure problem, is all Pep ( or whoever his assistant is that used to teach this) and if that's one of the guys who has left, he needs to hire another guy to do it. This flaccid press is the biggest decline in our play from years ago. It is worse than non-existent.

And this is all down to Pep. Philosophically, you are supposed to cut the field in half, force the first plant on the ball ( often the goalie and sometimes a defender) to only have options to one direction of the field, then as soon as he passes to that area, flood the area with multiple players defending each option on that side of the field, plus one extra. Then the original press player (often Haaland) must make sure the ball cannot be passed back to the original passer ( often the goalkeeper) as an outlet to restart..

We used to do this instinctively and often. Now everyone acts like it's a foreign concept and each player just half ass presses their guy and then stops when he passes it before they get to him. And the next guy waits till his guy has received the ball before approaching. This is all tactically wrong. And I can't believe it's happening under a Pep managed team.

Pep MUST fix this or we won't compete. No matter who we get in the Winter or next summer.
 
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Dax777 said:
Criticizing Pep is not evidence of not having his back. Nobody wants him gone. And he is eternally loved.

But we recognize his genius and need him to tap in and fix things.In my opinion, some of the problem is a talent issue. But lots of it isn't. And Pep ought to attempt to fix it.

Ability to break a press: Has degraded significantly. We don't have passing patterns designed to do this anymore. We have players getting the ball then guessing where to play it. This is mostly a structure and pattern issue. Pep should fix it.

Ability to make team's pay for pressing: Teams used to press us less a few years ago ( even after our ability to break presses had begun to erode) because once we successfully broke an aggressive pressure our "press break counter attacks," were deadly. So the risk of pressing is far outweighed the potential rewards. Nowadays even after we break a press we mostly just resort to a turgid middle of the field slow pass around that sometimes resulted in returning it back to defenders to get put under a press again.

So the risk of pressing is is now non-existent as we don't carry a scary counter attack anymore. Slow midfielders with excessive touches plus defensive players with risk adverse touches causes this. This too is part talent and part structure. Pep can fix the structure part.

Our Press: the part of our game that has regressed the most. Our press when the other team plays out of the back. This is the most painful part of our regression.

1) more teams pass out of the back now, even bottom table teams. Their Managers are all Pep-ites. So they demand it even from poor ball playing defenders. Yet our press is now so weak and so disorganized that we often fail to muster the most basic of pressure against most teams.

Liverpool over the weekend made 3 errors passing out of the back but we were so disjointed and half asses in our press that no one was even close to the ball to capitalize on the missed passes.

Lots of the problem here is Haaland. Who has an aversion to team pressing concepts. And always half-ass his press. Always starts late, and never finishes the press loop aggressively. Then Phil sees him and just doesn't bother to pickup the 2nd man and for some reason our CMs simply sit at the hallway line with the CBs a d never step into the space and close the free man or our Fullback close the man on the line.

This press failure problem, is all Pep ( or whoever is assistant is that used to teach this) and if thats one of the guys who has left, he needs to hire another guy to do it. This flaccid press is the biggest decline in our play from years ago.vits worse than non-existent.

And this is all down to Pep. Philosophicallt you are supposed to cut the girls in half, Press in 1 direction and force the keeper to go long or pass into a flooded area. We used to do this instinctively. Now everyone acts like it's a foreign concept and each player just half ass presses their guy and then stops when he passes it before they get to him

Pep MUDT fix this or we won't compete. No matter who we get in the Winter or next summer.
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In fairness I did say unduly criticising him.. I agree with most of your points and I’ve criticised him to the dog when mrs death isn’t listening… Some of the shit he’s getting isn’t warranted and the players need to step up and carry out his strategy/game plans … We’ve fallen off a cliff recently but I’m sure he will get us back on track …
 
kaz7 said:
How the fuck is he the primary cause ? We have had a whole first team out injured at the same time , lost the world and our most important player , kev out for several months and players playing with injuries and trying to get them match fit
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We had a whole first team out for one game. We were missing less players than our opponents when spurs smacked us at home, a spurs that got beat by ipswich and drew to fulham either side of that
Dippers had similar number of players unavailable as us Last weekend Injuries have been a factor but they've somewhat masked the fundamental problems we've had all season. if anybody still thinks this is purely due to injuries they've either not been watching or they've gone full dipper in the delusion scale. Even when we had a good start to the season the signs were there for some of us of this happening, it's his tactical setups that are costing us, therefore he's the primary cause.
 
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