Syria | Assad flees to Moscow as rebels capture Damascus

[The Fat el Hombre]

You do realise that Turkey, directly or indirectly occupies vastly more Syrian territory than the pinpricks in the buffer zone that Israel has moved forces into.

Actually, no, you probably don't.

That's how Palestine started and look where we are now (full blown invasion and genocide and stealing other peoples houses and land, breaking international law and committing war crimes and killing kids on a daily basis):


It's probably also a lie

 

[BerkshireBlue]

I've just searched your posts in the Russia/Ukraine thread. Just six posts and nothing whatsoever for 18 months. No foaming at the mouth about one sovereign state invading another without a plausible pretext, and one that is deliberately and indiscriminately targeting and killing civilians. There not even a condemnation of the invasion from you.

So why are you so hostile to Israel, yet not to Russia? Why are the lives of Ukrainians seemingly less important to you than those of Palestinians? There's few others I could ask the same questions of as well.

what does that have to do with Israel invading another country illegally again. You should be condemning that action not lambasting the poster as that is the correct response to war crimes like this

 

[Irwell]

what does that have to do with Israel invading another country illegally again. You should be condemning that action not lambasting the poster as that is the correct response to war crimes like this

That's the MO for these types. If the evidence isn't in your favour, revert to logical fallacies.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

what does that have to do with Israel invading another country illegally again. You should be condemning that action not lambasting the poster as that is the correct response to war crimes like this

It's got a lot to do with it. It's about consistency. Two countries invade another and deliberately target and kill civilians.

One acts against a terrorist provocation while the other acts without any justification at all. Yet the one acting against terrorism gets roundly & viciously condemned by a group on here while Russia (which has inflicted far more military and civilian casualties than Israel has) gets a free ride from that group.

Also there's no condemnation whatsoever of Turkey & Iraq for their treatment of the Kurds, and their denial of their wish for a Kurdish homeland, while there's gnashing of teeth and copious wailing about the denial of the Palestinians right to an independent state (something they were offered and rejected under Bill Clinton's auspices).

So (and this is a rhetorical question) why are the actions of a Jewish state so worthy of condemnation (which I've joined in with) while the actions of non-Jewish states doing exactly the same things are overlooked? It's either overt or latent antisemitism.

While I don't agree with most of what @Postman Pep posts, at least he's consistent. That's not something I can say about others on here.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

It's got a lot to do with it. It's about consistency. Two countries invade another and deliberately target and kill civilians.

One acts against a terrorist provocation while the other acts without any justification at all. Yet the one acting against terrorism gets roundly & viciously condemned by a group on here while Russia (which has inflicted far more military and civilian casualties than Israel has) gets a free ride from that group.

Also there's no condemnation whatsoever of Turkey & Iraq for their treatment of the Kurds, and their denial of their wish for a Kurdish homeland, while there's gnashing of teeth and copious wailing about the denial of the Palestinians right to an independent state (something they were offered and rejected under Bill Clinton's auspices).

So (and this is a rhetorical question) why are the actions of a Jewish state so worthy of condemnation (which I've joined in with) while the actions of non-Jewish states doing exactly the same things are overlooked? It's either overt or latent antisemitism.

While I don't agree with most of what @Postman Pep posts, at least he's consistent. That's not something I can say about others on here.

I've just gone through all your posts and there no mention of the Gambia invasion by Senegal. Presume you're fine with this then.

Do you see, it's a stupid argument. Israel are committing war crimes just like Russia, just like Senegal et al and that is the facts. Every single one of the need condemning. It has fuck all to with what religious following of the country, I couldn't give a fuck if the country is christian, muslim, buddism, jewish, mormon or anything else (just like all posters in this forum most likely), that is irrelevant what is relevant is the illegal war crimes that the country is doing and there's no sidestepping the atrocities they are doing

 

[cleavers]

I know the start of this Israel/Palestinian discussion was originally about land taken in Syria, but could we it back to the thread about the general Middle East situation please.

This thread would be better if it remained about Syria, and assad (if he still lives).

 

[robbieh]

Being more interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict than what's happening in Ukraine is not antisemitism.
Relatively speaking the Ukraine conflict is new. The takeover of Palestinian land has been ongoing since Stalin was still in office.

 

[Palerider]

Being more interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict than what's happening in Ukraine is not antisemitism.
Relatively speaking the Ukraine conflict is new. The takeover of Palestinian land has been ongoing since Stalin was still in office.

I think the problem is that it seems to be a concerted left wing political effort to support Palestine rather than randomly supporting the oppressed. i.e Why does the left seem to care about Palestine but did not give a shit about Syria? Because of that inconsistency it looks political rather than human concern for the Palestinians and it comes across as Jew hating rather than Palestine supporting. Presumably because the Jews are seen as capitalists on steroids?

 

[robbieh]

I think the problem is that it seems to be a concerted left wing political effort to support Palestine rather than randomly supporting the oppressed. i.e Why does the left seem to care about Palestine but did not give a shit about Syria? Because of that inconsistency it looks political rather than human concern for the Palestinians and it comes across as Jew hating rather than Palestine supporting. Presumably because the Jews are seen as capitalists on steroids?

You're last sentence is interesting. I think to an extent Israelis are more like us i.e. secular, capitalist and as such the left don't like 'us' bullying people with less money, power and influence.
I was opposed to the US invasion of Iraq on much the same grounds.
Israel is a western capitalist country with the backing of the most powerful western capitalist country.
Russia and Ukraine whilst both capitalist don't seem western somehow. That is probably a remnant of the cold war and may be if I went there I'd see it differently.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Being more interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict than what's happening in Ukraine is not antisemitism.
Relatively speaking the Ukraine conflict is new. The takeover of Palestinian land has been ongoing since Stalin was still in office.

The Ukrainian conflict goes back centuries.