gordondaviesmoustache
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Halfpenny said:
Exactly. If that was a sending off then we might as well go and watch fucking netball.
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Tackling Is Dead
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Exactly. If that was a sending off then we might as well go and watch fucking netball.
PistonBlue
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TCIB said:If that was against us we would be calling for the players head, lets have it right here.
Disagree. It was a good tackle.
United are one step ahead of you, Phil Jones tried to play it in his own penalty area.gordondaviesmoustache said:Halfpenny said:I wouldn't say it's 'pure luck' that VK didn't make contact, more that it was an excellently timed tackle which got all of the ball and none of the man. There was no malice involved, it was a strong tackle certainly. Just an excellent one.tufc27 said:Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.
However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.
I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?
If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.
Totally agree re the second thing btw, horrible.
Exactly. If that was a sending off then we might as well go and watch fucking netball.
Thorpiemcfc
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Point has been made previously... Nani never had the ball, Vinny was intercepting the ball, not tackling it, he got there first, and Nani knew this so jumped over him, there was no malice, and any injury to Nani would of been down to him leaving his own foot in...
thats just my 2p anyway, not like it will matter to the FA, but im guessing thats the angle they would go with...
thats just my 2p anyway, not like it will matter to the FA, but im guessing thats the angle they would go with...
City Raider
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tufc27 said:Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.
However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.
I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?
If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.
the logical extension of this law then is that volleyed goals constitute wreckless play?
TCIB
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PistonBlue said:TCIB said:If that was against us we would be calling for the players head, lets have it right here.
Disagree. It was a good tackle.
Both feet had stoods fully showing matey, and he was coming in at pace.
You do that nowadays and your opening yourself up to the possibility of a sending of.
PowderBlue
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tufc27 said:Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.
However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.
I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?
If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.
Bollocks - Foy was clearly influenced by rooney, when he and everyone else was just getting on with the game. Players and fans know when a tackle is dangerous, and no-one but shrek reacted - even the crowd. he had an atrocious game, he was a disgrace. How do you explain him not giving what was a clear pen against kolarov - another honest mistake? If so he is clearly incompetent.
ultimateharold
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tufc27 said:Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.
However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.
I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?
If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.
This is why refs are a joke. Whats more, you've come on as a neutral, talked BS, then done one. Well done.
PistonBlue
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TCIB said:PistonBlue said:TCIB said:If that was against us we would be calling for the players head, lets have it right here.
Disagree. It was a good tackle.
Both feet had stoods fully showing matey, and he was coming in at pace.
You do that nowadays and your opening yourself up to the possibility of a sending of.
In my opinion (and around 98% of pundits) it was a perfectly legitimate challenge. I for one, and I suspect most Blues would not be calling for anyone's head had that been against us
PistonBlue said:tufc27 said:Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.
However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.
I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?
If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.
Kompany didn't make ANY contact with Nani. Nani clearly thought it a fair tackle, otherwise he'd have gone down like he'd been shot as usual. The commentators were shocked at the red card. Everyone in the stadium were shocked at the red card. Every pundit I've heard (apart from Keane and Fergie) didn't think it was red. But Foy and yourself think it's right.
Tell me, are there any directives dished out to you refs that no-one else knows about? Serious question.
And if any appeal is doomed to fail then what is the point of having the system? Also, how do you come to the conclusion that it was 'pure luck'?
It doesn't matter whether there was contact or not. When you make slide tackle, you accept that there may be contact with the opponent. As such, it is your responsibility to make the tackle in a way that does not endanger the safety of your opponent, if there is contact. Kompany left the safety of his opponent down to chance, which IMO, and in the opinion of most referees is endangering it.
It's important to remember that pundits essentially DO NOT KNOW THE LAWS!
Peter Reid said in the studio at half time, that a foul tackle from behind is a yellow card, according to the 'letter of the law'. He's free to waste the rest of his life scouring the Laws of the Game; he will find no mention of this whatsoever.
Select Group referees are subject to constant instruction in the type of tackle that is unacceptable. Whilst if Chris Foy had done nothing about it, I doubt there would have been much trouble, he was entirely correct to do what he did.
What I meant about the appeal being doomed, was not that there's something wrong with the system, but that there are no grounds for appeal. He endangered the safety of his opponent, so he was sent off. That's all there is to it.