Tackling Is Dead

[Gaylord du Bois]

I'm sure they'll look kindly at the appeal especially since they had Rooneys ban reduced after he layed the boot in for England.

 

[Halfpenny]

Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.

However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.

Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.

I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?

If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.

Kompany didn't make ANY contact with Nani. Nani clearly thought it a fair tackle, otherwise he'd have gone down like he'd been shot as usual. The commentators were shocked at the red card. Everyone in the stadium were shocked at the red card. Every pundit I've heard (apart from Keane and Fergie) didn't think it was red. But Foy and yourself think it's right.

Tell me, are there any directives dished out to you refs that no-one else knows about? Serious question.
And if any appeal is doomed to fail then what is the point of having the system? Also, how do you come to the conclusion that it was 'pure luck'?

It doesn't matter whether there was contact or not. When you make slide tackle, you accept that there may be contact with the opponent. As such, it is your responsibility to make the tackle in a way that does not endanger the safety of your opponent, if there is contact. Kompany left the safety of his opponent down to chance, which IMO, and in the opinion of most referees is endangering it.

It's important to remember that pundits essentially DO NOT KNOW THE LAWS!

Peter Reid said in the studio at half time, that a foul tackle from behind is a yellow card, according to the 'letter of the law'. He's free to waste the rest of his life scouring the Laws of the Game; he will find no mention of this whatsoever.

Select Group referees are subject to constant instruction in the type of tackle that is unacceptable. Whilst if Chris Foy had done nothing about it, I doubt there would have been much trouble, he was entirely correct to do what he did.

What I meant about the appeal being doomed, was not that there's something wrong with the system, but that there are no grounds for appeal. He endangered the safety of his opponent, so he was sent off. That's all there is to it.

Another referee I know told me, and I quote, "Yes to law a two footed challenge which is uncontrollable - which Kompany's was - is deemed excessive force. However he did not make contact. So a yellow card for dangerous play should have been issued"

So which is it?

 

[gravediggerj]

Heres the problem with what you said.

Its not the contact, he was lucky not to connect.

if that does constitue a sending off then a player jumping for a header with his hands could be lucky not to connwct with an opponents nose.

A player volleying a ball is lucky that an opponents head wasnt there.

I could go on

if what u are saying is that kompanys was a red card, fine, but it therefore was one of around 8 today.

consistency.

why are u here as a torquay and liverpool fan?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Vinnie's made tackles like that plenty of times.

I've always thought they looked a little bit dodgy just at looking at them, but why should it suddenly be punished when he wins the ball cleanly in a Manchester derby?

it's a scissor tackle, not a 2 footed tackle in the traditional sense.

Having got the opportunity to see it again I just think Foy has been done by Rooney, but it is a flaw in Vinnie's game and I wish he'd pick another technique for tackling as it just doesn't look right, even if he wins the ball cleanly.

People will slag me off for it but seeing it again he gave the United players and Foy the chance to punish him by doing that tackle in that way.

That being said I'm more concerned by Kolarov not being anywhere near where he should have been for Rooney's header, De Jong and Nasri ducking out for Welbeck's goal and Kolarov's stupid tackle when Welbeck was being covered by Micah and wasn't going to score.

real shame, because we'd have had them otherwise, absolutely stuffed them, and the funny thing is, everybody knows it because they, apart from the few braindead arseholes, are all absolutely bloody silent.

We lost today, but we lost in, oddly, the best possible way. No-one can criticise us today, and United can fear us even more.

I'm off-topic now, but to conclude, if Foy has any decency(which I don't believe he does) he'll get it rescinded.

 

[TCIB]

Don't get me wrong it was not wreckless and he got the ball, all in all a robust but well made tackle that helped him win the ball.

The issue is simply that if you go in at speed and win the ball or not, injury or not you open yourselves up to the possibility of a red card.

 

[dctid]

Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.

However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.

Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.

I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?

If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.

However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage

Sorry but utter nonsense the idea that the ref is able to determine the angle of a foot and how that angle will cause inflict damage on an opposing player is nonsense.

Foy reached for the red because of the total fook up he made of the Lampard foul and did not want to be seen making another monumental cock up - instead he over reacted and sent a player off for a yellow card offense and made himself lookk a twat.

Sorry but i dont believe it was an honest one - the standard of referring in this country is fookin wank and the number of decisions that Rags - Le Arse - Chelski and Liverpool have got over the years is not suspicious its disgusting. Foy is incompetent

You comments about bombing is car i do find disgusting offensive and wrong

 

[Joga Bonito]

Another referee I know told me, and I quote, "Yes to law a two footed challenge which is uncontrollable - which Kompany's was - is deemed excessive force. However he did not make contact. So a yellow card for dangerous play should have been issued"

So which is it?

This is what I hear as well, and if it was my decision what I would have issued.

The most baffling thing to me is Kompany and others do this sort of "scissor kick" tackle (as JoeMercer'sWay puts it) quite often and sometimes they look dodgy but there isn't even a foul given if they win the ball.

As for the second I don't really want to blame De Jong too much, if he had gone to kick it and made contact with Welbeck the ref would have sent him off too, but I suppose he could of gotten closer to it with his positioning because he almost turned away from it and away from goal.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Torquay fan and a ref in peace. I also kind of support Liverpool, so I was supporting City today.

However, I have to say I thought the red card was correct. Watch Kompany's right foot. If it impacts Nani at that angle, with studs showing, with that force, it's doing him some serious damage. It was only luck that contact was minimal. Law 12 states that
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.

Given that it was by pure luck that Kompany's studs did not have heavier contact with Nani, I have to agree that when he made the tackle, he endangered the safety of his opponent.

I also think that some of the things you've said about Chris Foy are disgraceful - like telling someone to 'bomb his car'. I don't believe he made a mistake, but even if he did, it would be an honest one - no different to Silva missing an open goal in the 90th minute. If you had lost 3-2, with no red card, but Silva had missed an open goal from 2 yards out in the 90th minute, would you advise each other to bomb his car?

If I could advise Mancini, I would advise him not to bother appealing - any appeal is doomed to fail. The commission will take an even less human view of it than Chris Foy - they will look at it as a studs up tackle that could have broken an ankle, and will rightfully dismiss the appeal.

As a referee, can I ask you, if your linesman thought it was a foul, would he have been expected to flag?
I ask because in this case, the linesman had a great view of the ''tackle'' and kept his flag down by his side.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:56 am --<br /><br />

why are u here as a torquay and liverpool fan?

Everyone who comes in peace is welcome on Bluemoon - all adds up to a better discussion

 

[nalari]

Point has been made previously... Nani never had the ball, Vinny was intercepting the ball, not tackling it, he got there first, and Nani knew this so jumped over him, there was no malice, and any injury to Nani would of been down to him leaving his own foot in...

thats just my 2p anyway, not like it will matter to the FA, but im guessing thats the angle they would go with...

Exactly this.

 

[mcmanus]

If that was against us we would be calling for the players head, lets have it right here.

Disagree. It was a good tackle.

TCIB speak for yourself.

It was a cracking interception.