Teachers to strike?

[Lucky13]

Yes

Thanks for answering without an insult.

 

[tueartsboots]

Yes

Then why aren't you marking or preparing for next week ? Obviously you have too much spare time if you can be on here ;)

Because I'm having my first day off in three weeks. How many days off have you had in that time?

I was joking mate. If you've read my previous you will see I respect teachers and don't envy the shit you have to put up with.

 

[BlueInBury]

Then why aren't you marking or preparing for next week ? Obviously you have too much spare time if you can be on here ;)

Because I'm having my first day off in three weeks. How many days off have you had in that time?

I was joking mate. If you've read my previous you will see I respect teachers and don't envy the shit you have to put up with.

No worries mate. To be honest I don't mind the shit side of it. I work with kids who have serious behaviour problems and I love it. I go to work everyday with a smile on my face, tired but smiling all the same. I voted no because I don't want the kids to suffer. Whilst people are pratting about with banners and signs there are kids missing valuable time in class. Personally think there are better, more constructive ways of sorting it out.

 

[law74]

Because I'm having my first day off in three weeks. How many days off have you had in that time?

I was joking mate. If you've read my previous you will see I respect teachers and don't envy the shit you have to put up with.

No worries mate. To be honest I don't mind the shit side of it. I work with kids who have serious behaviour problems and I love it. I go to work everyday with a smile on my face, tired but smiling all the same. I voted no because I don't want the kids to suffer. Whilst people are pratting about with banners and signs there are kids missing valuable time in class. Personally think there are better, more constructive ways of sorting it out.

By worsening the terms and conditions or employment for teachers, many of those that are currently studying to become teachers will have second thoughts and we may well lose a generation of the best suited, best motivate and best qualified to teach, which will damage the countryfor many many years to come.
But hey, as long as Etom and the old etonians dont suffer ey what

 

[BlueInBury]

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By worsening the terms and conditions or employment for teachers, many of those that are currently studying to become teachers will have second thoughts and we may well lose a generation of the best suited, best motivate and best qualified to teach, which will damage the countryfor many many years to come.
But hey, as long as Etom and the old etonians dont suffer ey what

I agree mate, I think what the government are doing is bollocks and I can see why other teachers voted yes. All I am saying is that when I look at my class I see 34 children who really can't afford to be missing a day of school. So I voted no because I don't want them to suffer. I'm kind of putting them before myself, maybe because it's my first year teaching and I suppose you feel attached to your first class but I'd also like to think it's because of my own ideals and the reasons I got into teaching. I was offered jobs in many leafy Cheshire suburbs but decided that I wanted to help children who really needed it in tougher inner city areas. That is the only reason I don't agree with going on strike, I think there are better ways of solving the problem. To simply down tools just isn't who I am

 

[law74]

By worsening the terms and conditions or employment for teachers, many of those that are currently studying to become teachers will have second thoughts and we may well lose a generation of the best suited, best motivate and best qualified to teach, which will damage the countryfor many many years to come.
But hey, as long as Etom and the old etonians dont suffer ey what

I agree mate, I think what the government are doing is bollocks and I can see why other teachers voted yes. All I am saying is that when I look at my class I see 34 children who really can't afford to be missing a day of school. So I voted no because I don't want them to suffer. I'm kind of putting them before myself, maybe because it's my first year teaching and I suppose you feel attached to your first class but I'd also like to think it's because of my own ideals and the reasons I got into teaching. I was offered jobs in many leafy Cheshire suburbs but decided that I wanted to help children who really needed it in tougher inner city areas. That is the only reason I don't agree with going on strike, I think there are better ways of solving the problem. To simply down tools just isn't who I am

I can understand your dilema and praise you for putting the children you are currently teaching first, but if in the long term their younger brothers and sisters have to get by with a poorer standard of teacher, is voting no really for the long term benefit of the children, their parents, the nation?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I agree mate, I think what the government are doing is bollocks and I can see why other teachers voted yes. All I am saying is that when I look at my class I see 34 children who really can't afford to be missing a day of school. So I voted no because I don't want them to suffer. I'm kind of putting them before myself, maybe because it's my first year teaching and I suppose you feel attached to your first class but I'd also like to think it's because of my own ideals and the reasons I got into teaching. I was offered jobs in many leafy Cheshire suburbs but decided that I wanted to help children who really needed it in tougher inner city areas. That is the only reason I don't agree with going on strike, I think there are better ways of solving the problem. To simply down tools just isn't who I am

I can understand your dilema and praise you for putting the children you are currently teaching first, but if in the long term their younger brothers and sisters have to get by with a poorer standard of teacher, is voting no really for the long term benefit of the children, their parents, the nation?

Striking in the national interest? Fuck me I've heard it all now.

 

[BlueInBury]

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I agree mate, I think what the government are doing is bollocks and I can see why other teachers voted yes. All I am saying is that when I look at my class I see 34 children who really can't afford to be missing a day of school. So I voted no because I don't want them to suffer. I'm kind of putting them before myself, maybe because it's my first year teaching and I suppose you feel attached to your first class but I'd also like to think it's because of my own ideals and the reasons I got into teaching. I was offered jobs in many leafy Cheshire suburbs but decided that I wanted to help children who really needed it in tougher inner city areas. That is the only reason I don't agree with going on strike, I think there are better ways of solving the problem. To simply down tools just isn't who I am

I can understand your dilema and praise you for putting the children you are currently teaching first, but if in the long term their younger brothers and sisters have to get by with a poorer standard of teacher, is voting no really for the long term benefit of the children, their parents, the nation?[/quote]

Yes but future years are not my primary concern. My concern HAS to be the children in my class now. Come September the children in my class then will become my primary concern. It is up to politicians and unions to sort the nuts and bolts of pensions, wages etc.

 

[Lucky13]

Teachers union leader on the radio , only thing he mentioned was how much teachers will have to pay in the pensions , hence the strike.

 

[foxy]

Career decisions are made based on many things. People in the public sector accepted that wages would not be great, but went for it anyway as the terms and conditions of the job offered them security. Any government that tries to move the goalposts now will be brought to its knees, and rightly so.

The career has offered those who went in to teaching job security, it's pretty much recession proof. They are actually quite well paid compared to other public sector jobs and provides huge ammounts of holidays during peak times during the year which makes the job family friendly. Yes they have a bit of marking and planning to do here and there but not a lot. Workers in the private sector don't have job security like the teachers have had nor the cushty paid holidays. It's about time these careers become tougher and may be the teachers will experience what the real world is like.

And if these 'teachers' were so good at their jobs and deserve a pension which is better than everybody elses then why is it half of London school kids can't bloody read?!

I've only just bothered to read this thread because I couldnt be arsed with the argument, but you are fucking clueless!
I'm in my first year of teaching and decided to get into it because I shared similar opinions to you. You said that it's quite well paid? I earn less than most of my friends, many of who work in call centres with fuck all responsibility. I don't have a problem with this because as you say the holidays are good so on balance i have it pretty good when it comes to salary.
You also said teachers have a bit of planning and marking to do but not that much. Unless you are a teacher who doesnt give a fuck about the children you are teaching then this couldnt be further from the truth. I work in an inner city school, many of the children have had that many hard times they couldnt give a fuck about learning. Therefore my lesson planning has to be spot on to make sure its suits the various needs of each individual, from children on the autistic spectrum or with ADHD right up to those who could be described as being geniuses. That is not a small job for every lesson of every day. I get to work at 7am to prepare resources for my class so that they find learning interesting. I leave work at 6. When I get how I have on average 96 books to mark. This is everyday. Just this week I have had a lesson observation to check my teaching is good enough, work scrutiny of what the children in my class are doing to make sure they understand, plus I am currently writing detailed school reports. This all takes time and preparation. It is a 7 days a week job and I usually work 60-70 hours a week.
You also suggested that teachers aren't good at their jobs because half of London kids can't read. I don't know where you got that statistic from but its bullshit. And regardless of facts and figures learning is a two way process, if the children refuse to learn (which is not uncommon) then you can do nothing. Also, to group all teachers under one bracket of being shite at their jobs because of a dodgy statistic you have pulled about kids in one city is narrow minded and just plain ridiculous. I suggest you actually spend some time in a school and with teachers before you comment because you have an opinion of the profession that is dated.
By the way, I voted no to the strike and will be going to work on the day. I don't believe the children should miss a day at school because teachers aren't happy with their employment terms. Although the children won't be in school that day due to other staff striking, I will be there preparing things for my class. If anybody needs to get a grip its you.

Also forgot to say. Everything I have said about my job might sound like a moan, it isn't. I love my job and don't mind the long hours and the constant checking up on my work. I work my hours happily and enjoy the long holidays when they arrive. But considering the hours I do work, the holidays are needed.

I take my hat off to you sir, you are a good inspiration to teachers out there. I'm not being sarcy either, your attitude is great and I think many others should follow your lead.

I am a bit passionate about this topic because I have had a pay freeze over the last year, my pension is very basic and I won't receive increments in my pay and technically it's a pay cut with the rise in inflation, food prices, train fairs etc go up whilst my salary stays the same. I am not moaning about this, I consider myself extremely lucky that I'm working and I'm happy. But when I see strikes being called when the pension is still one of the best in the country and those teachers are still in employment then it does give their industry a bad name.

I appreciate some teachers work very hard like yourself, but so do many workers in the private sector. To me the strike is just a big 'fuck off' to those who have made sacrafices and lost their jobs through the recession. There is little union presence in the private sector due to new labour and the third way etc so it's not possible for companies to call strikes so they put up and make do. I don't see why the public sector can't do the same, it could be a lot worse!