Teachers to strike?

foxy said:
tommyducks said:
foxy said:
Teachers should get a grip, the public sector have had it good for years and have not felt any effects from the recession! Private sector pensions are basic and risky, you basically get what you originally contributed if your lucky and if the market crashes or your company goes bust then you have lost your pension. Why should teachers have it better than anybody else and why should the tax payer contribute to their pensions which the country can not afford?
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Career decisions are made based on many things. People in the public sector accepted that wages would not be great, but went for it anyway as the terms and conditions of the job offered them security. Any government that tries to move the goalposts now will be brought to its knees, and rightly so.
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The career has offered those who went in to teaching job security, it's pretty much recession proof. They are actually quite well paid compared to other public sector jobs and provides huge ammounts of holidays during peak times during the year which makes the job family friendly. Yes they have a bit of marking and planning to do here and there but not a lot. Workers in the private sector don't have job security like the teachers have had nor the cushty paid holidays. It's about time these careers become tougher and may be the teachers will experience what the real world is like.

And if these 'teachers' were so good at their jobs and deserve a pension which is better than everybody elses then why is it half of London school kids can't bloody read?!
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I've only just bothered to read this thread because I couldnt be arsed with the argument, but you are fucking clueless!
I'm in my first year of teaching and decided to get into it because I shared similar opinions to you. You said that it's quite well paid? I earn less than most of my friends, many of who work in call centres with fuck all responsibility. I don't have a problem with this because as you say the holidays are good so on balance i have it pretty good when it comes to salary.
You also said teachers have a bit of planning and marking to do but not that much. Unless you are a teacher who doesnt give a fuck about the children you are teaching then this couldnt be further from the truth. I work in an inner city school, many of the children have had that many hard times they couldnt give a fuck about learning. Therefore my lesson planning has to be spot on to make sure its suits the various needs of each individual, from children on the autistic spectrum or with ADHD right up to those who could be described as being geniuses. That is not a small job for every lesson of every day. I get to work at 7am to prepare resources for my class so that they find learning interesting. I leave work at 6. When I get how I have on average 96 books to mark. This is everyday. Just this week I have had a lesson observation to check my teaching is good enough, work scrutiny of what the children in my class are doing to make sure they understand, plus I am currently writing detailed school reports. This all takes time and preparation. It is a 7 days a week job and I usually work 60-70 hours a week.
You also suggested that teachers aren't good at their jobs because half of London kids can't read. I don't know where you got that statistic from but its bullshit. And regardless of facts and figures learning is a two way process, if the children refuse to learn (which is not uncommon) then you can do nothing. Also, to group all teachers under one bracket of being shite at their jobs because of a dodgy statistic you have pulled about kids in one city is narrow minded and just plain ridiculous. I suggest you actually spend some time in a school and with teachers before you comment because you have an opinion of the profession that is dated.
By the way, I voted no to the strike and will be going to work on the day. I don't believe the children should miss a day at school because teachers aren't happy with their employment terms. Although the children won't be in school that day due to other staff striking, I will be there preparing things for my class. If anybody needs to get a grip its you.

Also forgot to say. Everything I have said about my job might sound like a moan, it isn't. I love my job and don't mind the long hours and the constant checking up on my work. I work my hours happily and enjoy the long holidays when they arrive. But considering the hours I do work, the holidays are needed.
 
i'm keeping my mrs who is marking all weekend ( hence why i get to answer back as often as I do)
away from this thread.You
heartless tory wankers with your pathetic justifications for assaults on holidays make me sick
 
kronkonite said:
i'm keeping my mrs who is marking all weekend ( hence why i get to answer back as often as I do)
away from this thread.You
heartless tory wankers with your pathetic justifications for assaults on holidays make me sick
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Plenty of these so called heartless tory wankers saw their own pensions, once the envy of the world, stolen by the magnanimous labour tosser that was Brown. These same heartless bastards are supposed to not only accept that, but to also work their tripes out harder and longer than anyone in the public sector, whilst contributing ever more money to ensure another section of society can retire on far more than they will get, at least 6 years earlier.
Heartless wankers.
 
Only 18 teachers sacked for incompetence in 40 years.
It was only a few years ago that the former chief inspector of schools Chris Woodhead suggested 15,0000 should be sacked immediately - still only a tiny fraction of the whole profession, but met with predictable outrage from the insular, closeted world of schools.
There are tens of thousands of brilliant, inspirational teachers, but the unions and the profession have created a protectionist gravy train for the thousands of feckless, useless and idle among their number who are simply moved on to let children down in another school. It is easier to simply shift them on rather than the more difficult and embarrassing process of drumming them out of the industry. Out of sight, they are someone else's problem. It's like the Catholic church and paedophile priests.
This is instead of doing the right thing by children, by the taxpayer who pays for these frauds, and the young, talented, committed teachers entering the profession but finding it hard to get a school.
This is just one reason why there is little public sympathy for the profession as a whole. It's impossible to be sacked, no matter how bad you are.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Only 18 teachers sacked for incompetence in 40 years.
It was only a few years ago that the former chief inspector of schools Chris Woodhead suggested 15,0000 should be sacked immediately - still only a tiny fraction of the whole profession, but met with predictable outrage from the insular, closeted world of schools.
There are tens of thousands of brilliant, inspirational teachers, but the unions and the profession have created a protectionist gravy train for the thousands of feckless, useless and idle among their number who are simply moved on to let children down in another school. It is easier to simply shift them on rather than the more difficult and embarrassing process of drumming them out of the industry. Out of sight, they are someone else's problem. It's like the Catholic church and paedophile priests.
This is instead of doing the right thing by children, by the taxpayer who pays for these frauds, and the young, talented, committed teachers entering the profession but finding it hard to get a school.
This is just one reason why there is little public sympathy for the profession as a whole. It's impossible to be sacked, no matter how bad you are.
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Fair point about those teachers that are useless but that goes with any profession. I haven't met a GP who's worthy of earning minimum wage for about 10 years yet nobody is attacking them. You can't use the argument of a minority of useless teachers to argue against the majority of good teachers, well not unless the same gies for every other profession anyway.
 
BlueInBury said:
Lucky13 said:
Anyone who strikes because they have to pay more into their own pension should not be allowed to teach kids.
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Explain please. What an idiotic comment!
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If you think that you should not have to pay for your own pension you are obviously not bright enough to teach kids. , you live longer , it costs more , you need to put more in , simple maths.

Or do what what a teacher union leader told a member of the public on Sky news to do , when he questioned why teachers shoudn't pay more for their own pension , his reply , get a different job.
 
tueartsboots said:
BlueInBury said:
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Then why aren't you marking or preparing for next week ? Obviously you have too much spare time if you can be on here ;)
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Because I'm having my first day off in three weeks. How many days off have you had in that time?
 
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