Teachers to strike?

[Ancient Citizen]

The private sector did'nt put us there either and our pensions now virtually don't exist. Plenty of people are in the same boat as your son. Hard world is'nt it?

In that case the private sector need to look to the public sector and see that, at least, we try and stand up for our rights. Instead of taking it up the arse from employers that shouldn't even be in business imho. All it takes is a bit of guts and organisation. If that is unrealistic then it should never have got to this point.[/quote]

You are standing up for 'Rights' that the rest of us don't enjoy, 80% of the population endure what your son experiences daily. When I said it was a hard world, it means exactly that. Most public employees never have to experience some of the disciplines involved in actually earning money, so now feel hard done by. Lets face it, you are not going to retire skint.

 

[mackenzie]

You are standing up for 'Rights' that the rest of us don't enjoy, 80% of the population endure what your son experiences daily. When I said it was a hard world, it means exactly that. Most public employees never have to experience some of the disciplines involved in actually earning money, so now feel hard done by. Lets face it, you are not going to retire skint.

We may not "earn" money but we certainly save it. The facts show that face to face contact with the customers I deal with has a positive effect on saving the taxpayer (of which I am one) money.

And, if you don't have "rights" whereas the public sector does then I think we should do even more to protect those rights, don't you? I can't do it for those in the private sector but, as I said before, I am not going to throw those away simply because the rest of the population begrudge me them.

 

[law74]

No worries mate. To be honest I don't mind the shit side of it. I work with kids who have serious behaviour problems and I love it. I go to work everyday with a smile on my face, tired but smiling all the same. I voted no because I don't want the kids to suffer. Whilst people are pratting about with banners and signs there are kids missing valuable time in class. Personally think there are better, more constructive ways of sorting it out.

By worsening the terms and conditions or employment for teachers, many of those that are currently studying to become teachers will have second thoughts and we may well lose a generation of the best suited, best motivate and best qualified to teach, which will damage the countryfor many many years to come.
But hey, as long as Etom and the old etonians dont suffer ey what

Patent nonsense, with respect. If you opt for a teaching job after these proposals have been put into effect, you will be choosing a career that will pay you a far better pension than anyone else joining a private company can hope to enjoy. So the old etonians and public schoolboys like Ed Balls and his Mrs, plus Harriet Harman, and all the rest of the labour privileged front bench who all enjoyed private education will have to find another way of fighting a class war.
Please stop the lefty point scoring shit.

The people that we are looking to go into a career in teaching, ie looking after the future generations of our nation, are the hard working, intelligent and level headed graduates, these are the sort of people that if they go into the private sector would expect to rise up the ranks of whatever profession they choose to go into, thus would make a lot more money in the directors office of a private company than they ever would in the public sector.
It is a sad state of affairs that the demise of the trade union movement in the private sector is meaning that the already wealthy are able to exploit the workers in far too many ways especially in the private sector.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You are standing up for 'Rights' that the rest of us don't enjoy, 80% of the population endure what your son experiences daily. When I said it was a hard world, it means exactly that. Most public employees never have to experience some of the disciplines involved in actually earning money, so now feel hard done by. Lets face it, you are not going to retire skint.

We may not "earn" money but we certainly save it. The facts show that face to face contact with the customers I deal with has a positive effect on saving the taxpayer (of which I am one) money.

And, if you don't have "rights" whereas the public sector does then I think we should do even more to protect those rights, don't you? I can't do it for those in the private sector but, as I said before, I am not going to throw those away simply because the rest of the population begrudge me them.

Strike away then my friend. Let us save further discussion for when your glorious revolution is at it's apex. Must go, pub calls. Ta for a very interesting chat.

 

[Lucky13]

On Sky news they've just given an example , a University outreach worker on 21k a year pays @1500k into his pension ,with the new proposals he will pay @ 2000k a year , an increase of @ £500 , a tenner a week.

So he's going on strike because he's got to pay an extra tenner a week into his own pension.

As we live longer , more money is needed to fund these pensions , so can anyone explain to me why the recipient of the pension shouldn't fund it .

 

[thorpeblue]

Haven't you read the thread? It's because they work 23 hours a day and get no holidays because they are marking/preparing for lessons! At the same time blaming the private sector for the mess the country is in! Nowt to do with the one eyed Scottish dictator of course, the greatest chancellor we have had for a generation!

 

[Blue Maverick]

On Sky news they've just given an example , a University outreach worker on 21k a year pays @1500k into his pension ,with the new proposals he will pay @ 2000k a year , an increase of @ £500 , a tenner a week.

So he's going on strike because he's got to pay an extra tenner a week into his own pension.

As we live longer , more money is needed to fund these pensions , so can anyone explain to me why the recipient of the pension shouldn't fund it .

It's not as simple as that, a few years ago teachers as a few other public sector professions, changed their pension schemes in consultation with the government, they are now back for more and without consultation, a like it or lump it attitude, the question is how far do you let them go, if they give in this time what's to stop the next government coming back and taking more. Let's face at the end of the day they want us all to work until we drop public and private, that way they can take all our contributions and blow it on some frivolous overseas thing. My personal opinion is that everyone who has started a pension scheme should be "ring fenced" anyone coming in to any job after this knows what they are letting themselves in for and cannot then have an argument, as for contributions like I've said before I will be paying nearly 15% next year while some will only be paying 3-6% possibly 9%, but they should at least pay something, some pay nothing and I'm talking about civil servants here well that's not on.

 

[tueartsboots]

On Sky news they've just given an example , a University outreach worker on 21k a year pays @1500k into his pension ,with the new proposals he will pay @ 2000k a year , an increase of @ £500 , a tenner a week.

So he's going on strike because he's got to pay an extra tenner a week into his own pension.

As we live longer , more money is needed to fund these pensions , so can anyone explain to me why the recipient of the pension shouldn't fund it .

It's not as simple as that, a few years ago teachers as a few other public sector professions, changed their pension schemes in consultation with the government, they are now back for more and without consultation, a like it or lump it attitude, the question is how far do you let them go, if they give in this time what's to stop the next government coming back and taking more. Let's face at the end of the day they want us all to work until we drop public and private, that way they can take all our contributions and blow it on some frivolous overseas thing. My personal opinion is that everyone who has started a pension scheme should be "ring fenced" anyone coming in to any job after this knows what they are letting themselves in for and cannot then have an argument, as for contributions like I've said before I will be paying nearly 15% next year while some will only be paying 3-6% possibly 9%, but they should at least pay something, some pay nothing and I'm talking about civil servants here well that's not on.

Spot on, strange how nothing from Civil Servant Mandarins have had nothing to complain about and their pension is well, more than what a lot earn in a lifetime

 

[kinkyisahero]

Many people in the public sector work long hours for relatively little money whilst still displaying a laudable sense of public duty.Teachers, in the main, unlike NHS and Social Service workers, do not fall into this group.
When teachers are threatened with job losses rather than a readjustment of their pension entitlement then they will have a right to pontificate about how hard they've got it.[/quot

Many of your statements display a total lack of reality for teachers. Redundancies for teachers are already happening, most authorities have been making redundancies for 2 years; the majority of schools face redundancies over the next 2 years and staff have been warned. A good teacher does work long hours during term time, generally working at least 2-4 hours a night after leaving school at 4.30 at the earliest and allocating a day during the weekend to do at least 4 hours. Yes we do get more holidays than most people, but this is a perk of the job. Most teachers are under constant considerable stress, especially Secondary school to ensure the pupils achieve the exam results they deserve - at the end of the day the teacher does not want to be responsible for limiting a childs future because they get poor exam results. Most NHS workers I know work long hours, as they work long days to cover full time hours in 3 days a week, not working extra hours for no extra money, as teachers do.

 

[ernesto]

this about protection of working conditions.
if this this so called government gets away with this, then the rest of of us are going to be in for a rough ride.
everyones terms and conditions will be thrown out.
expect longer hours and less leisure time because we dont deserve it.
we are heading back to victorian times, if you are not a member of a union , i urge you to join one , we need to resist this tory eton onslaught on our pay and conditions regardless wether you work in the public or private sector.
let us not forget the banks world wide caused this, not the people