Tennis Thread

FantasyIreland said:
Behave,like the other member last night.....such blinkered and preconceived opinion isn't healthy and helps nothing.You are already looking for reason to be outraged when none exists.
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If that was directed at me, I wasn’t being entirely serious, but seeing as though Piers Morgan went for her with both barrels after Wimbledon and has even tried to take credit for her “turning round her career”, there is already some substance to the theory.

How long was Murray Scottish every time he lost at Wimbledon? It’s how the press works.
 
domalino said:
Seems pretty straightforward, she's told everyone that she's got a massive anxiety problem around the expectations of her on a tennis court that's lead to her being depressed and the press conferences are the most direct form of that, where she has to sit and be grilled about everything that went wrong for half an hour whenever she loses a match.

Doing an interview for a magazine, or getting her picture taken, or embracing a hobby like her fashion line obviously isn't going to be an issue, it's nothing to do with tennis.
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Yes, but two questions remain unanswered.
1 Why did she wait until after she had been refused permission to miss a press conference to raise the medical issue? Why raise it in public rather than in confidence with the committee?
2 What is the explanation for her sister posting a piece on her difficulties which did not mention medical issues and was subsequently deleted.?
I am not unsympathetic but there is a whiff of mendacity around the PR handlers, and they still want our money.
 
KS55 said:
Yes, but two questions remain unanswered.
1 Why did she wait until after she had been refused permission to miss a press conference to raise the medical issue? Why raise it in public rather than in confidence with the committee?
2 What is the explanation for her sister posting a piece on her difficulties which did not mention medical issues and was subsequently deleted.?
I am not unsympathetic but there is a whiff of mendacity around the PR handlers, and they still want our money.
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I suspect she is still learning about her mental state and so her (and her sister's) responses will be varied. I know oldies like me live with the mantra that you should just "get on with it", but modern sportspeople are in a whole new world now with the prize money, the media attention and obligations before you get to social media - and really, they're just kids.

Personally I hate those post match interviews in tennis and many other sports to be fair, it's not what I pay to watch.
 
KS55 said:
Yes, but two questions remain unanswered.
1 Why did she wait until after she had been refused permission to miss a press conference to raise the medical issue? Why raise it in public rather than in confidence with the committee?
2 What is the explanation for her sister posting a piece on her difficulties which did not mention medical issues and was subsequently deleted.?
I am not unsympathetic but there is a whiff of mendacity around the PR handlers, and they still want our money.
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Citizen of Legoland said:
I suspect she is still learning about her mental state and so her (and her sister's) responses will be varied. I know oldies like me live with the mantra that you should just "get on with it", but modern sportspeople are in a whole new world now with the prize money, the media attention and obligations before you get to social media - and really, they're just kids.

Personally I hate those post match interviews in tennis and many other sports to be fair, it's not what I pay to watch.
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Is anyone really surprised she was hesitant to publicly bring up a mental health issue?

Of course if she could have, she'd have just ducked press conferences for a bit while she gets over her issues, but the baying mob wouldn't let her, so she was forced into disclosing a medical condition she should have been allowed to keep private.

Also @KS55 Osaka doesn't care about your money. She's already made more than she'll ever spend and she's shown she's willing to skip tournaments that would pay her 7 figure appearance fees on top of massive prize money until she gets over her mental health issues.
 
I find it strange, in this day and age, that still so many people find it hard to accept or allow someone to suggest that they have a mental health issue. Nobody would bat an eyelid if a player was physically injured but the moment that someone, especially one earning substantial sums, suggests that they need time out, they are castigated in the RW press and by a section of the populous.

We have to be more accepting, in my view. As an educator working with young people, the pressure on them is immense. There is no chance of escape, no freedom to be absent, and constant pressure to conform to the standards of the day that ebb and flow with the mood of the latest celebrity social media post.

Personally, if you need time out and you say that you are struggling a little, who am I to say that you are not?
 
domalino said:
Is anyone really surprised she was hesitant to publicly bring up a mental health issue?

Of course if she could have, she'd have just ducked press conferences for a bit while she gets over her issues, but the baying mob wouldn't let her, so she was forced into disclosing a medical condition she should have been allowed to keep private.

Also @KS55 Osaka doesn't care about your money. She's already made more than she'll ever spend and she's shown she's willing to skip tournaments that would pay her 7 figure appearance fees on top of massive prize money until she gets over her mental health issues.
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That’s awesome. And she can continue to not do press conferences and she can continue to not play and she can spend the money she’s earned through her natural talent and hard work and I’ll continue to care very little either way.

We must remember however that being worth 7 figures doesn’t really denote someone as being great people or even especially talented, look at Rio or Robbie Savage or @worsleyweb
 
SWP's back said:
We must remember however that being worth 7 figures doesn’t really denote someone as being great people or even especially talented, look at Rio or Robbie Savage or @worsleyweb
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And literally no one said that, so not sure why you've felt the need to set us right.

Also - going out of your way to tell everyone how much you don't care about something always sounds unconvincing.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I always wonder whether that was actually a thing or whether it was just something that got repeated so often that it became accepted as true.
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I think it was disproven ages ago. I think it was a Frankie Boyle joke that people took as fact, a bit like the old John Lennon joke about Ringo not even being the best drummer in the Beatles from A Hard day's Night.

www.theguardian.com

Andy Murray: British or Scottish? How do the press describe him?

The idea Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses is wrong, a linguistics study has found
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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domalino said:
I think it was disproven ages ago. It was a Frankie Boyle joke that people took as fact, a bit like the old John Lennon joke about Ringo not even being the best drummer in the Beatles from A Hard day's Night.
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It's amazing how easily led people are. Kinda like how everyone has just gone along with that Marmite advert and now insist that they either love or hate it. I'm sure there are loads of people who think it's just alright.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It's amazing how easily led people are. Kinda like how everyone has just gone along with that Marmite advert and now insist that they either love or hate it. I'm sure there are loads of people who think it's just alright.
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Or a closer example could be how many people hated Murray for being "Anti-English" from an interview with Henman where they was bantering about Scotland never qualifying for anything and asking who he will support in the world cup, which Murray then joked he would be supporting anyone thats playing England, which a lot of papers ran with whipping up a frenzy missing the context.

To this day I still see people go on about.
 
Uptop said:
Or a closer example could be how many people hated Murray for being "Anti-English" from an interview with Henman where they was bantering about Scotland never qualifying for anything and asking who he will support in the world cup, which Murray then joked he would be supporting anyone thats playing England, which a lot of papers ran with whipping up a frenzy missing the context.

To this day I still see people go on about.
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That’s so true. He really didn’t recover from that. Some
of the things he gets criticised for are unreal.
 
oldius said:
I find it strange, in this day and age, that still so many people find it hard to accept or allow someone to suggest that they have a mental health issue. Nobody would bat an eyelid if a player was physically injured but the moment that someone, especially one earning substantial sums, suggests that they need time out, they are castigated in the RW press and by a section of the populous.

We have to be more accepting, in my view. As an educator working with young people, the pressure on them is immense. There is no chance of escape, no freedom to be absent, and constant pressure to conform to the standards of the day that ebb and flow with the mood of the latest celebrity social media post.

Personally, if you need time out and you say that you are struggling a little, who am I to say that you are not?
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Yeah - people bottle it all up and end up taking their own lives and people ask why didn't they make it known and seek help? People do make it public and seek help and get called weak and a liar - they can't win.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
She really seems like a superstar in the making. Incredibly talented and already seems like a natural infront of the media. Great for women’s tennis that our talent is going to fully take over from the men’s game in this country and all the exposure that goes with it. Post the Henman and then Murray eras, it looks like we are set for the Raducanu era. Best of luck to her.
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No pressure then. I have watched and played tennis for more decades that I am happy about and in my opinion she is the real deal.

Obviously it is easy to get carried away but she seems to have been in a different zone whenever I have watched her, which admittedly is only a few times but she sends shivers down my spine at how good she could be.

Going to be watching tomorrow to see what happens next.
 
KS55 said:
True, and apparently only arise after you have been refused permission to miss press conferences.
Sorry, but there is an element of manipulation here.
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A really fascinating topic. Much to discuss although probably for another thread. I am genuinely keen in hearing people's thoughts but not here. You should start a thread and I would be keen to participate.
 
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