Tevez interview in the Mail

ROSLER_28 said:
TonyM said:
This is hsi first season with us. He is entitled to not caught the bug yet but if he continues to do well then I'm sure he'll become one of us and if he's not doing great then we won't want him around anyway. Personally I still think there's a big questionmark hanging over Tevez in how we build a team around him. It'll be an interesting test of our manager.

I sort of like how he questions Mancini. I prefer it when a manager is respected and not necessarily liked by his players. Sven was definitely too soft and I suspect Hughes was only a little less so. I'm hoping Mancini is just that bit more "very much concentrate" 'cos "it's a difficult match", etc... I don't care if he's liked once we are not crap to watch and make less stupid mistakes (both of which were true under our previous managers).
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Ha! "I think Greg, he play aaa very good game..."
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Are you the moon from the Mighty Boosh?
 
DTeacher said:
TheLegendOfBerti said:
hmmm....

maybe one day he'll have a passion for us, he seems too politically correct in that interview.

Prefer Bellamy's interviews, he's brutal and would have slagged Fergie off for what he did.
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Like the guy before said though....why would he spend £10k (or whatever it was) and put the poster on his wall in Argentina if he didn't like it?

Something stinks about this 'interview' and it is not Tevez.

Clearly an agenda by the writer/paper imho.

Who do we play on Saturday, I wonder?
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well we don't need it, besides Tevez can hardly speak english.

We have to beat them anyway, even the score out this season, knock them out the title race.

He can be a City legend, it's whether he wants to embrace our club as "his" and become the figurehead of our future.

He can be a legend here, he just has to want to be.
 
TheLegendOfBerti said:
DTeacher said:
Like the guy before said though....why would he spend £10k (or whatever it was) and put the poster on his wall in Argentina if he didn't like it?

Something stinks about this 'interview' and it is not Tevez.

Clearly an agenda by the writer/paper imho.

Who do we play on Saturday, I wonder?
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well we don't need it, besides Tevez can hardly speak english.

We have to beat them anyway, even the score out this season, knock them out the title race.

He can be a City legend, it's whether he wants to embrace our club as "his" and become the figurehead of our future.

He can be a legend here, he just has to want to be.
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Know where you are coming from, mate.

I have high hopes for Tevez and City over the next couple of years.

Hopefully, when we lift the Title, these jealous nonentities will finally give us some credit....lol
 
I wonder if the interview has taken place in the last few days. Mancini admits to the double training sessions when he took over because he had to get the players to play his game, but when I read the training reports I haven't read anything about a double training session in months.

Either way, it appears to be working, so not reason to try and fix something that isn't broken.

though obviously if he was watching the Arse/Barca game it is recent.

Though an article in the Times, Rio says Tevez was a bad trainer. Which could very well be true.

whatever.
 
TonyM said:
I sort of like how he questions Mancini. I prefer it when a manager is respected and not necessarily liked by his players. Sven was definitely too soft and I suspect Hughes was only a little less so. I'm hoping Mancini is just that bit more "very much concentrate" 'cos "it's a difficult match", etc... I don't care if he's liked once we are not crap to watch and make less stupid mistakes (both of which were true under our previous managers).
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mancini was less than 100% popular in the inter dressing room too. in fact he and viera had a public falling out. I can accept that he uses the dark arts of people management, much as I accept that Kubrick and Hitchcock regularly put their actors through hell in order to get the required response.

popularity counts for nothing really, it's only one way to make people listen to you. what counts is that they listen and then follow the game plan religiously. equally as important is that they taking complete responsibility for their own performance. I am glad Carlos takes the credit for his excellent displays, as that demonstrates exactly the mindset you want. it's the pay-off for taking full responsibility for his own performance. the talent is his and the work is his. the coach is just an enabler, the more invisible he appears the better. you wouldn't say Fergie made Scholes or Giggs great players. But they did have great careers under him.

I think the vast majority of people who've seen us play recently would agree that there is a definite plan for every player and an overall plan for the team. you can see that it changes from game to game, for example compare how we repeatedly attacked down the flanks in the early stages on sunday, pulling them one way and the other, to our more central attacks against burnley. for examples of how individual players are utilised, I would cite how nedum took up an unorthodox position during saturdays game, slightly infield of the flank and ahead of the defense. under mark hughes, when I could see the gameplan, the danger was that as soon as the pressure mounted, it went out of the window and became a free for all. i would cite the high defensive line against tottenham, as soon as lennon beat us once, the whole team decamped 20 yards further back, reverting to the easy option, effectively conceding the game.

It's a long way of saying, we are a far more disciplined unit now. so even if they don't like everything he does, I believe they are following his instructions. it's quite funny to hear about the training sessions. Initially we were told that the players thought they were not intense enough, now they are too long. what I would say is that the players appear anything but tired on the pitch, unlike so many other teams at this time of year. I think it's true that everyone's had a break, one way or another, under Mancini. perhaps carlos is still bridling a bit at the public way in which mancini demanded his return from argentina... that's just fine by me, it appears his fire is burning as bright as ever. the danger is complacency and, what would you call it, fear? lethargy? apathy?

the site of players hiding from the fight is one we have become familiar with over the years, and for me, mancini's also takes credit for getting this team to fight when it would be so much easier for them to go through the motions. tevez and bellamy are natural fighters, the art here appears to be stoking their fires and focusing their energy. but what of the likes of adebayor? it would have been so easy for him to disappear into the background after his horrible year, but instead he has put it to one side, publicly accepted that his overall performance had not been as good as it might have, and gone about putting it right by really exerting himself on the pitch. the great big grin on his face is the sign of someone pleased with his own honesty and hardwork.

I do accept that there have also been big disappointments under Mancini, in particular ireland and wright-phillips. unfortunately when I look back over stephen's public comments this year, I see someone blaming his form on his managers. does he have a point? I don't know, he has faced some sizable challenges this year....but it doesn't suggest someone looking to squeeze every last ounce of effort from himself in order to overcome them, which is the only way any player survives at the top level. it's so hard to reconcile this with what we saw from him last year. elano, and robinho should be abject lessons. talent is never enough. there is a difference between the players who have a succesful year or two (bentley?) and those who are at the top for five, ten, fifteen years. top class club football requires a different kind of commitment, one that never ends until you retire. even a fantastic talent like rivaldo never had the kind of club career that the likes of viera have. even the sublimely skilled have to remove all mental obstacles and go the whole mile, every day, every year, or they get found out at the highest level, as is happening right now to berbatov. clubs like utd, chelsea, barca have less talented squad players who survive year after year because their mentality is never in doubt. the talented get a couple of years to prove they have this mentality or they are moved on without any fuss.

I still firmly believe that stephen can take this huge, daunting step, if he decides that the pressure of being part of all this is worth the reward. As for shaun, I'm not so sure. He works hard, for sure, but I worry that this is someone who accepted life on the bench too easily at Chelsea. second best might be a little too comfortable an option for him at this stage. I worry about one or two others as well but that's a story for another night.
 
Thanks Bizzbo.

I was about to retire for the night but your fantastic and insightful post delayed me for a few minutes more.

Brilliant, brilliant post, Sir.

I doff my cap.

One day, I'll find something to disagree with you about.

Could be some way off though.....lol

Good night, mate.
 
DTeacher said:
Thanks Bizzbo.

I was about to retire for the night but your fantastic and insightful post delayed me for a few minutes more.

Brilliant, brilliant post, Sir.

I doff my cap.

One day, I'll find something to disagree with you about.

Could be some way off though.....lol

Good night, mate.
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I'm always amazed whenever anyone reads the whole thing, and makes me blush a little..... to think my ravings took up your valuable time.

I'll look forward to the disagreement, it's been too long since I've had a good argument with someone on here ;)

cya
 
bizzbo said:
TonyM said:
I sort of like how he questions Mancini. I prefer it when a manager is respected and not necessarily liked by his players. Sven was definitely too soft and I suspect Hughes was only a little less so. I'm hoping Mancini is just that bit more "very much concentrate" 'cos "it's a difficult match", etc... I don't care if he's liked once we are not crap to watch and make less stupid mistakes (both of which were true under our previous managers).
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mancini was less than 100% popular in the inter dressing room too. in fact he and viera had a public falling out. I can accept that he uses the dark arts of people management, much as I accept that Kubrick and Hitchcock regularly put their actors through hell in order to get the required response.

popularity counts for nothing really, it's only one way to make people listen to you. what counts is that they listen and then follow the game plan religiously. equally as important is that they taking complete responsibility for their own performance. I am glad Carlos takes the credit for his excellent displays, as that demonstrates exactly the mindset you want. it's the pay-off for taking full responsibility for his own performance. the talent is his and the work is his. the coach is just an enabler, the more invisible he appears the better. you wouldn't say Fergie made Scholes or Giggs great players. But they did have great careers under him.

I think the vast majority of people who've seen us play recently would agree that there is a definite plan for every player and an overall plan for the team. you can see that it changes from game to game, for example compare how we repeatedly attacked down the flanks in the early stages on sunday, pulling them one way and the other, to our more central attacks against burnley. for examples of how individual players are utilised, I would cite how nedum took up an unorthodox position during saturdays game, slightly infield of the flank and ahead of the defense. under mark hughes, when I could see the gameplan, the danger was that as soon as the pressure mounted, it went out of the window and became a free for all. i would cite the high defensive line against tottenham, as soon as lennon beat us once, the whole team decamped 20 yards further back, reverting to the easy option, effectively conceding the game.

It's a long way of saying, we are a far more disciplined unit now. so even if they don't like everything he does, I believe they are following his instructions. it's quite funny to hear about the training sessions. Initially we were told that the players thought they were not intense enough, now they are too long. what I would say is that the players appear anything but tired on the pitch, unlike so many other teams at this time of year. I think it's true that everyone's had a break, one way or another, under Mancini. perhaps carlos is still bridling a bit at the public way in which mancini demanded his return from argentina... that's just fine by me, it appears his fire is burning as bright as ever. the danger is complacency and, what would you call it, fear? lethargy? apathy?

the site of players hiding from the fight is one we have become familiar with over the years, and for me, mancini's also takes credit for getting this team to fight when it would be so much easier for them to go through the motions. tevez and bellamy are natural fighters, the art here appears to be stoking their fires and focusing their energy. but what of the likes of adebayor? it would have been so easy for him to disappear into the background after his horrible year, but instead he has put it to one side, publicly accepted that his overall performance had not been as good as it might have, and gone about putting it right by really exerting himself on the pitch. the great big grin on his face is the sign of someone pleased with his own honesty and hardwork.

I do accept that there have also been big disappointments under Mancini, in particular ireland and wright-phillips. unfortunately when I look back over stephen's public comments this year, I see someone blaming his form on his managers. does he have a point? I don't know, he has faced some sizable challenges this year....but it doesn't suggest someone looking to squeeze every last ounce of effort from himself in order to overcome them, which is the only way any player survives at the top level. it's so hard to reconcile this with what we saw from him last year. elano, and robinho should be abject lessons. talent is never enough. there is a difference between the players who have a succesful year or two (bentley?) and those who are at the top for five, ten, fifteen years. top class club football requires a different kind of commitment, one that never ends until you retire. even a fantastic talent like rivaldo never had the kind of club career that the likes of viera have. even the sublimely skilled have to remove all mental obstacles and go the whole mile, every day, every year, or they get found out at the highest level, as is happening right now to berbatov. clubs like utd, chelsea, barca have less talented squad players who survive year after year because their mentality is never in doubt. the talented get a couple of years to prove they have this mentality or they are moved on without any fuss.

I still firmly believe that stephen can take this huge, daunting step, if he decides that the pressure of being part of all this is worth the reward. As for shaun, I'm not so sure. He works hard, for sure, but I worry that this is someone who accepted life on the bench too easily at Chelsea. second best might be a little too comfortable an option for him at this stage. I worry about one or two others as well but that's a story for another night.
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cracking post that.
 
He is quoted saying he has respect for all clubs he played for?? Ok against West Ham he scored and just put his hand up as an appology to West Ham fans but when he scored against United he stood infront of the dug out with his hands on his ears and told Neville to shut up I doubt very much he has as much respect for the rags as he does for West Ham. My guesses this artical is taken out of content so much its easier to do when the lad doesn't hardly speak a word of English.
 
My theory is that Mancini bores his squad with long and unintense trainings so they get match hungry and play like beasts when let out.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:19 am --<br /><br />No, I actually think he values energy and resolution. Only use them when you really need them. Every good striker should know this.

Some times resolution can be so strong it results in being unstoppable.
 
Well after reading the training session reports they can hardly be burned out.
Light jogging followed by stretching. Then onto following Mancini round a field whilst he positions players for different game situations and then a twenty minute kick about with maybe some shooting practice to finish
 
it has to be said, that artical is fucking awful. no way in hell carlos said a fraction of that shit ! we need to get to the bottom of this.
 
Can't bring myself to believe most of what was wrote in that article and don't want to. I have no doubts he said some of those things but some of them are so far fetched thats it's hard to believe
 
its clear carlos has tried to diffuse the situation regarding united because of past interviews. he obviously doesnt want to say anything deemed an insult to those red cocks. clearly the interviewer has took the piss and made that whole piece an insult to our club.

anyway, its clear how much respect he has for united when he plays them !
 
Failsworth_Blue said:
Can't bring myself to believe most of what was wrote in that article and don't want to. I have no doubts he said some of those things but some of them are so far fetched thats it's hard to believe
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The giveaway is when he says Michael Dawson is the best English defender........surely Carlos cant think that??!!!
 
And you gotta remember he spoke most of this in English - it's difficult to find the right tone to make your point if you don't know the nuances of the language.

Storm in a teacup.
 
Im sure the Mail have got this from the Telegraph, and who writes for the telegraph? Henry fricking Winter, the filthy rag, and I wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was him who wrote the article and twisted it as far as he could.
 
bizzbo said:
what I would say is that the players appear anything but tired on the pitch, unlike so many other teams at this time of year.
talent is never enough. there is a difference between the players who have a succesful year or two (bentley?) and those who are at the top for five, ten, fifteen years. top class club football requires a different kind of commitment, one that never ends until you retire.
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Yip , fitness is certainly not an issue come the end of games, we look stronger than most teams and it helps to have SWP coming on late with his pace, it's not important that they dislike the length of training as long as they have respect for the managers methods.

So true about talent not being enough , else we would have a team of champion keepy uppers in the England team
 
Dont read newspapers anymore, the only thing i know is you can tell Carlos loves his football and thats what counts on match day
 
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