tevez to miss liverpool game

[Royaloak]

If he was such a 'proud Argentinian', he'd be earning his living there and paying his taxes there - or does £160k a week tend to 'dampen' your nationalistic fervour?

He should be in the UK fulfilling his contract and he has enough resources to bring his missus over here if need be.

oh just bugger off. none of us really know whats going on.

I was responding to the earlier post - so go back to stroking your early morning stiffy and leave the grown ups to chat.

 

[bizzbo]

oh just bugger off. none of us really know whats going on.

I was responding to the earlier post - so go back to stroking your early morning stiffy and leave the grown ups to chat.

hey now! I wish I wasn't one of the grown ups, and I wish it was one of those hardcore morning stiffies not a late night semi.

you said in definite terms 'he should be in the UK fulfilling his contract and has enough resources to blah blah blah'... really, we don't know the full story, so we can't say were he 'should' be. OK?

 

[Royaloak]

I was responding to the earlier post - so go back to stroking your early morning stiffy and leave the grown ups to chat.

hey now! I wish I wasn't one of the grown ups, and I wish it was one of those hardcore morning stiffies not a late night semi.

you said in definite terms 'he should be in the UK fulfilling his contract and has enough resources to blah blah blah'... really, we don't know the full story, so we can't say were he 'should' be. OK?

No, not OK - it seems to be common knowledge that his wife/girlfriend etc has given birth. It is also evident that our most expensive, most effective player is missing at the critical moment in the season. Now, it's just possible that there is something which hasn't yet surfaced which might change the situation, but from this board and others, as well as the press, it seems that his wife/girlfriend gave birth in Argentina prematurely and Carlos went back - end of. If we were Utd, he'd be back for the Liverpool game - Ferguson would demand it as he did earlier this year with Rooney. The difference was that Mrs Rooney was in Manchester, which is where Mrs Tevez should be.

 

[Dubai Blue]

They are proud argentineans, they don't want the baby to be english.

Also she's had it already, named it Katie.

If he was such a 'proud Argentinian', he'd be earning his living there and paying his taxes there - or does £160k a week tend to 'dampen' your nationalistic fervour?

He should be in the UK fulfilling his contract and he has enough resources to bring his missus over here if need be.

In my experience of living abroad over the last nine years, about 90% of the expats I know who've had kids have gone back home to have them. It's not so much the nationality issue and more to do with what they're comfortable with. The birth of your child is the most important thing you'll ever do and for that reason you do it where you feel most at ease. In England, she only has her husband with her. In Argentina, she has her whole extended family there to help out and support her. Presumably she will remain there with the baby for a few months now, with Carlos returning here ASAP (Mancini has only ever mentioned him missing tonight's game). What they've done is no different to what the vast majority of expats do.

And if he was truly going to fulfill his contract like you suggested he should, we'd be without him for the rest of the season. So try to have a bit more compassion.

 

[bizzbo]

hey now! I wish I wasn't one of the grown ups, and I wish it was one of those hardcore morning stiffies not a late night semi.

you said in definite terms 'he should be in the UK fulfilling his contract and has enough resources to blah blah blah'... really, we don't know the full story, so we can't say were he 'should' be. OK?

No, not OK - it seems to be common knowledge that his wife/girlfriend etc has given birth. It is also evident that our most expensive, most effective player is missing at the critical moment in the season. Now, it's just possible that there is something which hasn't yet surfaced which might change the situation, but from this board and others, as well as the press, it seems that his wife/girlfriend gave birth in Argentina prematurely and Carlos went back - end of. If we were Utd, he'd be back for the Liverpool game - Ferguson would demand it as he did earlier this year with Rooney. The difference was that Mrs Rooney was in Manchester, which is where Mrs Tevez should be.

the first difference is rooney was born and bred twenty-five miles up the road. you don't know if ferguson would demand it of any overseas player. and there is reason to believe there have been complications surrounding this birth. finally, since when has ferguson set the standards for this club? we have our own principles, our own management team, with their own standards/principles/methods.

 

[Royaloak]

If he was such a 'proud Argentinian', he'd be earning his living there and paying his taxes there - or does £160k a week tend to 'dampen' your nationalistic fervour?

He should be in the UK fulfilling his contract and he has enough resources to bring his missus over here if need be.

In my experience of living abroad over the last nine years, about 90% of the expats I know who've had kids have gone back home to have them. It's not so much the nationality issue and more to do with what they're comfortable with. The birth of your child is the most important thing you'll ever do and for that reason you do it where you feel most at ease. In England, she only has her husband with her. In Argentina, she has her whole extended family there to help out and support her. Presumably she will remain there with the baby for a few months now, with Carlos returning here ASAP (Mancini has only ever mentioned him missing tonight's game). What they've done is no different to what the vast majority of expats do.

And if he was truly going to fulfill his contract like you suggested he should, we'd be without him for the rest of the season. So try to have a bit more compassion.

I might be missing something here, but I don't understand the last paragraph. This thread is about him missing the Liverpool game, so my posts are in response to that eventuality. You see, in life, you can't have it both ways. Carlos is on a deal which is probably 20 times what he could earn in Argentina and on that basis, his responsibilities to fulfil that contract are significant - if he's not happy with that, he should have stayed at Boca Juniors earning £8k a week.

If he misses a couple of games, no problem, but Liverpool is looking unlikely and at the moment and there is no forecast return date. Added to that is the fact that he won't have trained for a while and who know's how many games he'll miss?

His situation is understandable from a family viewpoint, but from a contractual viewpoint it seems that the club are getting the shitty end of the stick - afterall, City are a footbll club, not a Local Authority, where you get a weeks compassionate leave if the hamster dies - is that compassionate enough for you or would you like me to post a video of me in floods of tears as well?.

 

[Royaloak]

If he was such a 'proud Argentinian', he'd be earning his living there and paying his taxes there - or does £160k a week tend to 'dampen' your nationalistic fervour?

He should be in the UK fulfilling his contract and he has enough resources to bring his missus over here if need be.

In my experience of living abroad over the last nine years, about 90% of the expats I know who've had kids have gone back home to have them. It's not so much the nationality issue and more to do with what they're comfortable with. The birth of your child is the most important thing you'll ever do and for that reason you do it where you feel most at ease. In England, she only has her husband with her. In Argentina, she has her whole extended family there to help out and support her. Presumably she will remain there with the baby for a few months now, with Carlos returning here ASAP (Mancini has only ever mentioned him missing tonight's game). What they've done is no different to what the vast majority of expats do.

And if he was truly going to fulfill his contract like you suggested he should, we'd be without him for the rest of the season. So try to have a bit more compassion.

I might be missing something here, but I don't understand the last paragraph. This thread is about him missing the Liverpool game, so my posts are in response to that eventuality. You see, in life, you can't have it both ways. Carlos is on a deal which is probably 20 times what he could earn in Argentina and on that basis, his responsibilities to fulfil that contract are significant - if he's not happy with that, he should have stayed at Boca Juniors earning £8k a week.

If he misses a couple of games, no problem, but Liverpool is looking unlikely and at the moment and there is no forecast return date. Added to that is the fact that he won't have trained for a while and who know's how many games he'll miss?

His situation is understandable from a family viewpoint, but from a contractual viewpoint it seems that the club are getting the shitty end of the stick - afterall, City are a footbll club, not a Local Authority, where you get a weeks compassionate leave if the hamster dies - is that compassionate enough for you or would you like me to post a video of me in floods of tears as well?.

 

[Royaloak]

No, not OK - it seems to be common knowledge that his wife/girlfriend etc has given birth. It is also evident that our most expensive, most effective player is missing at the critical moment in the season. Now, it's just possible that there is something which hasn't yet surfaced which might change the situation, but from this board and others, as well as the press, it seems that his wife/girlfriend gave birth in Argentina prematurely and Carlos went back - end of. If we were Utd, he'd be back for the Liverpool game - Ferguson would demand it as he did earlier this year with Rooney. The difference was that Mrs Rooney was in Manchester, which is where Mrs Tevez should be.

the first difference is rooney was born and bred twenty-five miles up the road. you don't know if ferguson would demand it of any overseas player. and there is reason to believe there have been complications surrounding this birth. finally, since when has ferguson set the standards for this club? we have our own principles, our own management team, with their own standards/principles/methods.

......and no success since 1976, so maybe we should toughen up a bit.

 

[bizzbo]

your talking about ethics here. I subscribe to the idea that our players are human beings first, manchester city players second. if we understand that, we should be able to allow them time to fulfill themselves, both for us, and for themselves. anything less than that appears to be the fergie school of '100% utd or out of the door'. that approach may have worked when footballers were subject to punitive, restrictive contract law, but we all now know that you can't hold anyone to a contract that denies them their essential human rights in law, and we all know that because of the scarcity of genuinely talented players, they are in a stronger position to ask for whatever it is that they want to make themselves happy. if they need time off to sort out genuine personal/family issues, then so be it. we hope they come back refreshed, and grateful for the accomodations we have provided. on the other hand, if it is just money they are after, then that must be justified on the pitch.

like I say, there are good reasons to believe Carlos Tevez is absent due to a difficult family situation. We could force him to play now, but, what message would that give to any other international players that we wanted to sign, what message would it give to those in the squad? All we care about is you turning out for us week in week out, regardless? they are the ones with the talent, the ones with the ability to chose their clubs. for me it is imperative that we offer them an enviroment, a managerial philosophy that takes these things into account. not that I am saying we should allow players to walk over us. far from it.

 

[MadchesterCity]

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