That's 2 strikers now who's heads have gone. Mario now Dzeko

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"What if" You are guessing and trying your hardest to blame the manager. As said in my previous post I expect players who come to City to be able to put in the effort even if it is proven that they are not good enough to play for a top English Club but Dzeko doesn't put in one tenth of the effort applied by Aguero or Tevez. THAT is not Mancini's fault. He gets paid a fortune to run around yet he doesn't think he has to. He wants the ball on a plate so that he can just knock it in the net. In this league, you have to do a bit more than that - ask Adebayor

When 80 plus percent of your squad is consistently underachieving, it's a management problem at that point. How do you think such a situation would be viewed in the corporate world, or anywhere else, for that matter?

-- Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:26 pm --

I didn't try and blame the manager, I suggested reasons why he 'might' be accountable for things, as opposed to you, who stated that he definitely wasn't responsible for certain things. Neither of us know the facts so I was attempting to open eyes to more possibilities.

I agree with you in some capitalist kind of way, but in reality, even though I am paid to do my job, if I go to work and my manager criticises my work but doesn't offer any direction to help me correct it, and continues to praise others over me, only giving me smaller roles then it could affect my attitude to him and possibly my job. He's only human.

And when you see your manager on the BBC, Sky, and all over the national media calling you out by name and criticizing your job performance in front of the whole world, your motivation at work might suffer further...underperforming employees should be dressed down in private, not in front of the media.

You are forgetting that the job/performance a player does is also there for the whole world to see. Poor analogy. Underperforming employees are dressed down in private because their work is private, not the case with footballers.

My point exactly - the players have to take responsibility for their attitude on the pitch. It's easy to blame the manager. If you do blame the manager then you have to credit him alone for winning the FA cup and the Title for the last 2 seasons, as well as getting us to the cup final this seasons. So, either all our success to date is down to Mancini or it isn't.<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:15 pm --<br /><br />

What if today showed that his head isn't in it anymore because Mancini has continually left him out without talkin to him an directing him how to improve to get back in the team, there's been speculation about him leaving, etc... And so he is playing at his best? Isn't Mancini responsible for getting the players and the team to play to their potential? It's not like he went out and did his own thing and ignored bobby's tactics, he (as he has been most of the season) just doesn't seem on board.

Oh and I've just 'realised' something that everyone else had probably considered already. Carlos, joleon, gazBaz haven't had their new contracts renewed... Because the club want to wait and see... If the new manager wants to keep them?? Why else has it not happened? We just gave yaya a new deal (any new manager would want him).

"What if" You are guessing and trying your hardest to blame the manager. As said in my previous post I expect players who come to City to be able to put in the effort even if it is proven that they are not good enough to play for a top English Club but Dzeko doesn't put in one tenth of the effort applied by Aguero or Tevez. THAT is not Mancini's fault. He gets paid a fortune to run around yet he doesn't think he has to. He wants the ball on a plate so that he can just knock it in the net. In this league, you have to do a bit more than that - ask Adebayor

how many times do i have to say this. HES NOT THE KIND OF PLAYER THAT RUNS AROUND he likes to play upfront with service being provided from the wings. IF he was a kun/teves type and didnt put a shift i would agree. CLEARLY when played correctly he scores the goals (national side).

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:53 am --

Marvin. You can't blame Mancini for Dzeko's inability to control or pass a football. So how do you get the best out of him then ?

Tell him to stop trying to play football (he can't!)

Keep him away from the flanks (does my head in every time I see him out on the left fucking wing!) stay inside the channels and around the box and put the ball in the fucking net when he gets a chance.

If he only did that once every game we'd all be singing his praises, instead of slagging him off (justifyably so, based on his recent efforts, I'm afraid.)

maybe lack of proper service is the reason for him drifting into those areas.

So, you think Dzeko has given his all this season? Well I guess we have to agree to disagree - Football, a matter of opinions and favourites!! Wonder how many other top 6 teams in England would take him?

 

[Bluearmy]

I actually think he'd do ok at Spurs/Chelsea/United as they get behind teams and cross it often to their strikers.. Shocking stat on Sky tonight, united have scored 21 goals from set pieces in the Premier League, does anyone know how many we have scored? 3 or 4 at best??

When 80 plus percent of your squad is consistently underachieving, it's a management problem at that point. How do you think such a situation would be viewed in the corporate world, or anywhere else, for that matter?

-- Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:26 pm --



And when you see your manager on the BBC, Sky, and all over the national media calling you out by name and criticizing your job performance in front of the whole world, your motivation at work might suffer further...underperforming employees should be dressed down in private, not in front of the media.

You are forgetting that the job/performance a player does is also there for the whole world to see. Poor analogy. Underperforming employees are dressed down in private because their work is private, not the case with footballers.

My point exactly - the players have to take responsibility for their attitude on the pitch. It's easy to blame the manager. If you do blame the manager then you have to credit him alone for winning the FA cup and the Title for the last 2 seasons, as well as getting us to the cup final this seasons. So, either all our success to date is down to Mancini or it isn't.

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:15 pm --

"What if" You are guessing and trying your hardest to blame the manager. As said in my previous post I expect players who come to City to be able to put in the effort even if it is proven that they are not good enough to play for a top English Club but Dzeko doesn't put in one tenth of the effort applied by Aguero or Tevez. THAT is not Mancini's fault. He gets paid a fortune to run around yet he doesn't think he has to. He wants the ball on a plate so that he can just knock it in the net. In this league, you have to do a bit more than that - ask Adebayor

how many times do i have to say this. HES NOT THE KIND OF PLAYER THAT RUNS AROUND he likes to play upfront with service being provided from the wings. IF he was a kun/teves type and didnt put a shift i would agree. CLEARLY when played correctly he scores the goals (national side).

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:53 am --

Tell him to stop trying to play football (he can't!)

Keep him away from the flanks (does my head in every time I see him out on the left fucking wing!) stay inside the channels and around the box and put the ball in the fucking net when he gets a chance.

If he only did that once every game we'd all be singing his praises, instead of slagging him off (justifyably so, based on his recent efforts, I'm afraid.)

maybe lack of proper service is the reason for him drifting into those areas.

So, you think Dzeko has given his all this season? Well I guess we have to agree to disagree - Football, a matter of opinions and favourites!! Wonder how many other top 6 teams in England would take him?

 

[olddirty]

The premier league is too physical for Dzeko. There were times yesterday when all he needed to do was bulldoze his way to an open goal by holding off a defender and he can't do it, never has been his game here. When he gets the ball he's like a 6ft Silva with the way his balance and poise is held, arms at the side wrists/hands outwardly limp as if he's balancing himself to do some trickery. If he was strong and direct and would put his foot through the ball like he should have with that chance yesterday he'd be a bloody handful in this league but he can't and he's not.

I disagree.
Problem is in his head, not body. He is made for English football, but his confidence is shit poor.

 

[AntiUnited]

When 80 plus percent of your squad is consistently underachieving, it's a management problem at that point. How do you think such a situation would be viewed in the corporate world, or anywhere else, for that matter?

-- Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:26 pm --



And when you see your manager on the BBC, Sky, and all over the national media calling you out by name and criticizing your job performance in front of the whole world, your motivation at work might suffer further...underperforming employees should be dressed down in private, not in front of the media.

You are forgetting that the job/performance a player does is also there for the whole world to see. Poor analogy. Underperforming employees are dressed down in private because their work is private, not the case with footballers.

My point exactly - the players have to take responsibility for their attitude on the pitch. It's easy to blame the manager. If you do blame the manager then you have to credit him alone for winning the FA cup and the Title for the last 2 seasons, as well as getting us to the cup final this seasons. So, either all our success to date is down to Mancini or it isn't.

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:15 pm --

"What if" You are guessing and trying your hardest to blame the manager. As said in my previous post I expect players who come to City to be able to put in the effort even if it is proven that they are not good enough to play for a top English Club but Dzeko doesn't put in one tenth of the effort applied by Aguero or Tevez. THAT is not Mancini's fault. He gets paid a fortune to run around yet he doesn't think he has to. He wants the ball on a plate so that he can just knock it in the net. In this league, you have to do a bit more than that - ask Adebayor

how many times do i have to say this. HES NOT THE KIND OF PLAYER THAT RUNS AROUND he likes to play upfront with service being provided from the wings. IF he was a kun/teves type and didnt put a shift i would agree. CLEARLY when played correctly he scores the goals (national side).

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:53 am --

Tell him to stop trying to play football (he can't!)

Keep him away from the flanks (does my head in every time I see him out on the left fucking wing!) stay inside the channels and around the box and put the ball in the fucking net when he gets a chance.

If he only did that once every game we'd all be singing his praises, instead of slagging him off (justifyably so, based on his recent efforts, I'm afraid.)

maybe lack of proper service is the reason for him drifting into those areas.

So, you think Dzeko has given his all this season? Well I guess we have to agree to disagree - Football, a matter of opinions and favourites!! Wonder how many other top 6 teams in England would take him?

Nope hes hardly played in comparison to the other 2 strikers. spurs,chel$ki, arsenal would take him in a heart beat.

 

[grunge]

I feel sorry for Dzeko to be honest.

When he starts matches the formation of the team is not suited to him at all, when he comes on as a sub its usually when the formation is changing and those formations suit him better. And he is definatly a player who's form drops when he is not playing.

I cant see him sticking around unless we get some wingers.

I have said it before though ( wont go into all the permutations at the mo' ), Sell Dzeko + Tevez, and with the money from mario's sale go all out to get Falcao or Cavani and promote Guidetti, although the Guidetti thing is very reliant on his health.

And before people say we would be mad to sell Tevez, while I agree his work rate is insane he's only got 1 year left on his contract and the £20m we could get for him is important with FFPR.