The Aintree meeting thread

[markbmcfc]

I reckon that if anyone else had said the exact same things nobody would have taken any notice. You, NF and one or two others are just looking to pick holes in my every word. Knock yourself out, I don't care.

I said on Tuesday when it was pissing down I'd be surprised if they ran him. Everyone knows the ground quickened up over the week. Pedantic at best to pick me up on that.

I said at the same time (when the ground looked like it would be soft) I was on west end rocker. I didn't feel it necessary to list every horse I backed. I backed about 8 yesterday, unfortunately my bigger gets were on horses that fell, hey ho.

Ask yourself, if any other poster would have said these things, would you be out picking holes? Of course not, and you know it.

Turning it around, do you think it's right to jump on the back of everything someone says in a public forum just because you don't like him and/or like what he says?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

I reckon that if anyone else had said the exact same things nobody would have taken any notice. You, NF and one or two others are just looking to pick holes in my every word. Knock yourself out, I don't care.

I said on Tuesday when it was pissing down I'd be surprised if they ran him. Everyone knows the ground quickened up over the week. Pedantic at best to pick me up on that.

I said at the same time (when the ground looked like it would be soft) I was on west end rocker. I didn't feel it necessary to list every horse I backed. I backed about 8 yesterday, unfortunately my bigger gets were on horses that fell, hey ho.


Ok,let's keep this simple.
If somebody came on a racing forum and stated that they thought a certain horse would win next time out,without actually knowing where it was running,what the distance of the race would be,what weight the horse would be carrying,who the jockey was,where the horse was drawn,and most importantly what the competition was,would you think that they were an idiot who was talking out of their arse?
Because that is precisely what you did on the very evening when Art Dzeko last ran.
It is stupidity like this that annoys the hell out of myself and others who follow racing closely,and you bring it all on yourself.
I would never pimp around a horse that I owned saying daft things like you did here,because it makes you look a laughing stock.
I wouldn't say that any horse would win without knowing the above criteria.
Nobody else does this kind of thing other than you,which is why you get grief,because you deserve it.

 

[markbmcfc]

Right.

The thing is NF, you take far too much attention to what I write. I literally cannot post anything without you furiously searching for errors.

I take your point, and I have a habit of being sensationalist I won't argue with you. At the time of posting I was pleased with his run, it means an awful lot to me.

A lot of the conditions of the races you just mentioned are unlikely to change, which is why I said what I said. We won't know until Wednesday what the handicapper does with him, but I think its fair to say if he went up or down it won't be by much. So its fair to say, he isn't going to compete in a group race. He'll race in the same division. That gives us an indication of the competition, the jockey will be the same and he's likely to be at the top of the weights for a class 6 handicap.

If you have a lightly raced horse that is well handicapped, which he is, its a fair assumption that he will have a better chance against an exposed horse off the same mark. Your right in saying that regardless of the above, there are other factors that would make my claim a stupid one, mainly draw, course and ground.

As I said, i'm willing to accept I get carried away, but I question if that deserves personal abuse. I mean, for the love of god we're all City fans with the same interests. Perhaps I need to justify my comments better at the time and less of the sensationalist stuff.

That aside, you need to knock on the head this theory of yours that I am or claim to be ITK, and that I 'pimp' anything, as you have misjudged my character by some considerable distance. Some of the personal shit you give me is uncalled for. Impetuous or impulsive, perhaps.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Right.

The thing is NF, you take far too much attention to what I write. I literally cannot post anything without you furiously searching for errors.

I take your point, and I have a habit of being sensationalist I won't argue with you. At the time of posting I was pleased with his run, it means an awful lot to me.

A lot of the conditions of the races you just mentioned are unlikely to change, which is why I said what I said. We won't know until Wednesday what the handicapper does with him, but I think its fair to say if he went up or down it won't be by much. So its fair to say, he isn't going to compete in a group race. He'll race in the same division. That gives us an indication of the competition, the jockey will be the same and he's likely to be at the top of the weights for a class 6 handicap.

If you have a lightly raced horse that is well handicapped, which he is, its a fair assumption that he will have a better chance against an exposed horse off the same mark. Your right in saying that regardless of the above, there are other factors that would make my claim a stupid one, mainly draw, course and ground.

As I said, i'm willing to accept I get carried away, but I question if that deserves personal abuse. I mean, for the love of god we're all City fans with the same interests. Perhaps I need to justify my comments better at the time and less of the sensationalist stuff.

That aside, you need to knock on the head this theory of yours that I am or claim to be ITK, and that I 'pimp' anything, as you have misjudged my character by some considerable distance. Some of the personal shit you give me is uncalled for. Impetuous or impulsive, perhaps.

No Mark,I don't need to 'search furiously' for errors - they jump out off the page to anyone who knows racing.
I do understand how you can become loyal to horses you have an interest in - I have done this myself,but you mustn't let that loyalty blind you to reality regarding a horses limitations.
The Collateral Damage ratings statement was a classic case of optimism and perhaps naivety overriding common sense.
It is clear to me and others that you have a genuine enthusiasm for horse racing,as do I,and that is great,as it is a fantastic sport that can take you from colossal high's to shattering lows in a matter of seconds,and I would hate you to lose any of that passion.
But you must learn to temper that enthusiasm by keeping your feet on the ground,and not taking objective criticism of 'your' horses personally.
Nobody is telling you what to post - just that maybe you tone it down a bit,and appreciate that others may disagree with you,but that does not amount to a vendetta.

 

[nw42]

Right.

The thing is NF, you take far too much attention to what I write. I literally cannot post anything without you furiously searching for errors.

I take your point, and I have a habit of being sensationalist I won't argue with you. At the time of posting I was pleased with his run, it means an awful lot to me.

A lot of the conditions of the races you just mentioned are unlikely to change, which is why I said what I said. We won't know until Wednesday what the handicapper does with him, but I think its fair to say if he went up or down it won't be by much. So its fair to say, he isn't going to compete in a group race. He'll race in the same division. That gives us an indication of the competition, the jockey will be the same and he's likely to be at the top of the weights for a class 6 handicap.

If you have a lightly raced horse that is well handicapped, which he is, its a fair assumption that he will have a better chance against an exposed horse off the same mark. Your right in saying that regardless of the above, there are other factors that would make my claim a stupid one, mainly draw, course and ground.

As I said, i'm willing to accept I get carried away, but I question if that deserves personal abuse. I mean, for the love of god we're all City fans with the same interests. Perhaps I need to justify my comments better at the time and less of the sensationalist stuff.

That aside, you need to knock on the head this theory of yours that I am or claim to be ITK, and that I 'pimp' anything, as you have misjudged my character by some considerable distance. Some of the personal shit you give me is uncalled for. Impetuous or impulsive, perhaps.

Decent post, to be honest it does get tedious having to trawl through the personal stuff between you, when all I and probably plenty of others are just using the thread to form ourselves an opinion of what to back, nobody blames anyone else if they lose, we all make our own selections.

Both of you have knowledge of racing that is clearly way beyond most of us on here, after all it is a football forum, why would loads of tipsters congregate on here? I also lurk on a couple of betting forums to improve my knowledge (and pick up tips for free), the racing thread on here is just another port of call if I'm having a bet.

So I reckon if you could give it a rest now lads it would suit everybody. It's all too serious.

thanks for listening.

 

[blumoon]

Right.

The thing is NF, you take far too much attention to what I write. I literally cannot post anything without you furiously searching for errors.

I take your point, and I have a habit of being sensationalist I won't argue with you. At the time of posting I was pleased with his run, it means an awful lot to me.

A lot of the conditions of the races you just mentioned are unlikely to change, which is why I said what I said. We won't know until Wednesday what the handicapper does with him, but I think its fair to say if he went up or down it won't be by much. So its fair to say, he isn't going to compete in a group race. He'll race in the same division. That gives us an indication of the competition, the jockey will be the same and he's likely to be at the top of the weights for a class 6 handicap.

If you have a lightly raced horse that is well handicapped, which he is, its a fair assumption that he will have a better chance against an exposed horse off the same mark. Your right in saying that regardless of the above, there are other factors that would make my claim a stupid one, mainly draw, course and ground.

As I said, i'm willing to accept I get carried away, but I question if that deserves personal abuse. I mean, for the love of god we're all City fans with the same interests. Perhaps I need to justify my comments better at the time and less of the sensationalist stuff.

That aside, you need to knock on the head this theory of yours that I am or claim to be ITK, and that I 'pimp' anything, as you have misjudged my character by some considerable distance. Some of the personal shit you give me is uncalled for. Impetuous or impulsive, perhaps.

Decent post, to be honest it does get tedious having to trawl through the personal stuff between you, when all I and probably plenty of others are just using the thread to form ourselves an opinion of what to back, nobody blames anyone else if they lose, we all make our own selections.

Both of you have knowledge of racing that is clearly way beyond most of us on here, after all it is a football forum, why would loads of tipsters congregate on here? I also lurk on a couple of betting forums to improve my knowledge (and pick up tips for free), the racing thread on here is just another port of call if I'm having a bet.

So I reckon if you could give it a rest now lads it would suit everybody. It's all too serious.

thanks for listening.

How are the free tips going then ? :-)

 

[markbmcfc]

Right.

The thing is NF, you take far too much attention to what I write. I literally cannot post anything without you furiously searching for errors.

I take your point, and I have a habit of being sensationalist I won't argue with you. At the time of posting I was pleased with his run, it means an awful lot to me.

A lot of the conditions of the races you just mentioned are unlikely to change, which is why I said what I said. We won't know until Wednesday what the handicapper does with him, but I think its fair to say if he went up or down it won't be by much. So its fair to say, he isn't going to compete in a group race. He'll race in the same division. That gives us an indication of the competition, the jockey will be the same and he's likely to be at the top of the weights for a class 6 handicap.

If you have a lightly raced horse that is well handicapped, which he is, its a fair assumption that he will have a better chance against an exposed horse off the same mark. Your right in saying that regardless of the above, there are other factors that would make my claim a stupid one, mainly draw, course and ground.

As I said, i'm willing to accept I get carried away, but I question if that deserves personal abuse. I mean, for the love of god we're all City fans with the same interests. Perhaps I need to justify my comments better at the time and less of the sensationalist stuff.

That aside, you need to knock on the head this theory of yours that I am or claim to be ITK, and that I 'pimp' anything, as you have misjudged my character by some considerable distance. Some of the personal shit you give me is uncalled for. Impetuous or impulsive, perhaps.

No Mark,I don't need to 'search furiously' for errors - they jump out off the page to anyone who knows racing.
I do understand how you can become loyal to horses you have an interest in - I have done this myself,but you mustn't let that loyalty blind you to reality regarding a horses limitations.
The Collateral Damage ratings statement was a classic case of optimism and perhaps naivety overriding common sense.
It is clear to me and others that you have a genuine enthusiasm for horse racing,as do I,and that is great,as it is a fantastic sport that can take you from colossal high's to shattering lows in a matter of seconds,and I would hate you to lose any of that passion.
But you must learn to temper that enthusiasm by keeping your feet on the ground,and not taking objective criticism of 'your' horses personally.
Nobody is telling you what to post - just that maybe you tone it down a bit,and appreciate that others may disagree with you,but that does not amount to a vendetta.

Fair enough.

However, I question if some of the stuff you have written about me is anything but vendetta, and if horse X being "garbage" is constructive criticsm.

I've admitted my mistakes, not many would when having steaming arguments with other blokes. I'm sure if you looked at some of the stuff you have written, I'd hope that at least part of you can admit yours.

I may have tinted glasses when it comes to a few horses, I won't deny it, I genuinely love them as if they were pets.

Not everything I write about them is based on emotional enthusiasm though, I still stand by comments on CD and Art D especially. I ask for time for my statements to prove themselves one or the other, not a character assassination after each run.

 

[bluealf]

I wish you would put it to bed tbh I have said it before in the other thread, there are enough arguments on the rest of the site about the club we love nevermind it starting day after day in the fucking horse racing section.

If people follow tips blindly then they are either blind optimists or very foolish, if somebody tips something I will look over it's form myself and then make a decision, sometimes the best tips are horse with no form whatsoever and I would be more inclined to back it thinking it may be a "coup" horse from a gambling yard.

Any fucker can try and blag a bit of status by tipping favourites or very short price horses.

As for Mark he is to enthusiastic over his horses, who wouldnt be, he writes some interesting stuff andhas tipped some good winners alongside some losers.

So come on guys lets get on please.

 

[nw42]

Right.

The thing is NF, you take far too much attention to what I write. I literally cannot post anything without you furiously searching for errors.

I take your point, and I have a habit of being sensationalist I won't argue with you. At the time of posting I was pleased with his run, it means an awful lot to me.

A lot of the conditions of the races you just mentioned are unlikely to change, which is why I said what I said. We won't know until Wednesday what the handicapper does with him, but I think its fair to say if he went up or down it won't be by much. So its fair to say, he isn't going to compete in a group race. He'll race in the same division. That gives us an indication of the competition, the jockey will be the same and he's likely to be at the top of the weights for a class 6 handicap.

If you have a lightly raced horse that is well handicapped, which he is, its a fair assumption that he will have a better chance against an exposed horse off the same mark. Your right in saying that regardless of the above, there are other factors that would make my claim a stupid one, mainly draw, course and ground.

As I said, i'm willing to accept I get carried away, but I question if that deserves personal abuse. I mean, for the love of god we're all City fans with the same interests. Perhaps I need to justify my comments better at the time and less of the sensationalist stuff.

That aside, you need to knock on the head this theory of yours that I am or claim to be ITK, and that I 'pimp' anything, as you have misjudged my character by some considerable distance. Some of the personal shit you give me is uncalled for. Impetuous or impulsive, perhaps.

Decent post, to be honest it does get tedious having to trawl through the personal stuff between you, when all I and probably plenty of others are just using the thread to form ourselves an opinion of what to back, nobody blames anyone else if they lose, we all make our own selections.

Both of you have knowledge of racing that is clearly way beyond most of us on here, after all it is a football forum, why would loads of tipsters congregate on here? I also lurk on a couple of betting forums to improve my knowledge (and pick up tips for free), the racing thread on here is just another port of call if I'm having a bet.

So I reckon if you could give it a rest now lads it would suit everybody. It's all too serious.

thanks for listening.

How are the free tips going then ? :-)

Still running:)

 

[bernabias home shirt]

I reckon that if anyone else had said the exact same things nobody would have taken any notice. You, NF and one or two others are just looking to pick holes in my every word. Knock yourself out, I don't care.

I said on Tuesday when it was pissing down I'd be surprised if they ran him. Everyone knows the ground quickened up over the week. Pedantic at best to pick me up on that.

I said at the same time (when the ground looked like it would be soft) I was on west end rocker. I didn't feel it necessary to list every horse I backed. I backed about 8 yesterday, unfortunately my bigger gets were on horses that fell, hey ho.

Ask yourself, if any other poster would have said these things, would you be out picking holes? Of course not, and you know it.

Turning it around, do you think it's right to jump on the back of everything someone says in a public forum just because you don't like him and/or like what he says?

I would pull anyone up on horse racing facts if they were wrong & would also expect myself to be questioned if i was talking bollocks on here..

What you have to look at is some folk on here hang off every word you say regarding information & tips and will back whatever horse you post..

So if some of that info you post or anyone just doesnt add up or is incorrect it should be questioned..it is a forum afterall..

I guess we should all try and get on though i will give you that..