The are we allowed the "it's quiet" thread yet? thread.

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Honestly you're talking to the wrong audience mate. Pep Guardiola picks the team and the signings, maybe you ought to let him know he's barking up the wrong tree?

You cry arrogance for those who believe in Pep but you can't accept he might actually do things differently. Otherwise, why bring in Pep at all? Surely another manager more tactically suited to the PL would be better than the living epitome of Johan Cruyff styled tiki taka?

Here we are, a few weeks into the transfer window, without even a ball being kicked and you're busy showing, with evidence from last season under Pellegrini, why he needs to take a different approach. I think confidence in the best manager in the game is only fair at this point.

But sure, for all your reasonable arguments you finish with some good old fashioned ad hominem. Classy.


and your busy without a ball being kicked and no evidence whatsoever thinking it's a given that Pep will walk the league and Nolito will win world player of the year!
It's only opinions mate and not agreeing with you doesn't make them arrogant or a flapper.
 
I'm not really interested in the extremes. Like I said in terms of having physicality and dynamism in midfield, Gundogan, Fernandinho, and Delph all offer that. We can argue the toss about the quality of some of them but none of them have been coached by Pep so until they have we need to wait and see. There's also the question of whether any of the young lads genuinely catch his eye. Maybe one of Manu or Alex Garcia makes the step up. Again we can't hide from the fact that he's the type of coach who likes to give youth it's head but there has to be room for that. If you add in Toure and Fernando, again I imagine if Pep uses them it's because he believes that he can make good use of them, then I think you have the balance you're looking for.

It's important when it comes to the squad to keep an open mind. There will be surprises in terms of which players excel. From a coaching standpoint you and I both know they're coming from a pretty low starting point in terms of the last two seasons. But they now have the best coach in the world. There's plenty more cause for optimism than there is cause for concern, and honestly don't really see the point in using our worst performances in the last couple of seasons as a barometer for what the existing squad is capable of.

There's also a wider point within this too about Pep and about what he's come here to do. He was asked in his first press conference about whether he could bring his 'style' to the league, and he didn't shirk the question. He said that that's what he'd come to prove. That he can come and win doing it his way. It was clear though. He didn't say "i have to change my way of thinking" or "i have to adapt my style".

Again this isn't a conversation about extremes. It's not about having four little guys versus four big guys. It's about a team which has the characteristics the manager wants. He will know better than me or you what he needs to win the Premier League. I'm pretty surprised at how many people seemingly aren't even giving him a chance and are already at close to full on panic mode. It might not be easy in the first season, but I've got little doubt that Guardiola is going to make us dream in a way we've never dreamt before watching City.


Amazing how some seem to have so little faith in him before a ball is kicked.

A large element of last seasons failings were down to a tactically inept manager in those games EB has mentioned, to a lesser degree injuries and one or two apparently not giving a fuck.
 
Honestly you're talking to the wrong audience mate. Pep Guardiola picks the team and the signings, maybe you ought to let him know he's barking up the wrong tree?

You cry arrogance for those who believe in Pep but you can't accept he might actually do things differently. Otherwise, why bring in Pep at all? Surely another manager more tactically suited to the PL would be better than the living epitome of Johan Cruyff styled tiki taka?

Here we are, a few weeks into the transfer window, without even a ball being kicked and you're busy showing, with evidence from last season under Pellegrini, why he needs to take a different approach. I think confidence in the best manager in the game is only fair at this point.

But sure, for all your reasonable arguments you finish with some good old fashioned ad hominem. Classy.

You might be right, and personally I hope you are. Equally though you might not. Let's see. Apologies for the Anglo-Saxon but your sneering tone invited it. Just an opinion of course......
 
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I'm not really interested in the extremes. Like I said in terms of having physicality and dynamism in midfield, Gundogan, Fernandinho, and Delph all offer that. We can argue the toss about the quality of some of them but none of them have been coached by Pep so until they have we need to wait and see. There's also the question of whether any of the young lads genuinely catch his eye. Maybe one of Manu or Alex Garcia makes the step up. Again we can't hide from the fact that he's the type of coach who likes to give youth it's head but there has to be room for that. If you add in Toure and Fernando, again I imagine if Pep uses them it's because he believes that he can make good use of them, then I think you have the balance you're looking for.

It's important when it comes to the squad to keep an open mind. There will be surprises in terms of which players excel. From a coaching standpoint you and I both know they're coming from a pretty low starting point in terms of the last two seasons. But they now have the best coach in the world. There's plenty more cause for optimism than there is cause for concern, and honestly don't really see the point in using our worst performances in the last couple of seasons as a barometer for what the existing squad is capable of.

There's also a wider point within this too about Pep and about what he's come here to do. He was asked in his first press conference about whether he could bring his 'style' to the league, and he didn't shirk the question. He said that that's what he'd come to prove. That he can come and win doing it his way. It was clear though. He didn't say "i have to change my way of thinking" or "i have to adapt my style".

Again this isn't a conversation about extremes. It's not about having four little guys versus four big guys. It's about a team which has the characteristics the manager wants. He will know better than me or you what he needs to win the Premier League. I'm pretty surprised at how many people seemingly aren't even giving him a chance and are already at close to full on panic mode. It might not be easy in the first season, but I've got little doubt that Guardiola is going to make us dream in a way we've never dreamt before watching City.

Decent stuff Billy, but 'panic mode' is way OTT
 
Amazing how some seem to have so little faith in him before a ball is kicked.

A large element of last seasons failings were down to a tactically inept manager in those games EB has mentioned, to a lesser degree injuries and one or two apparently not giving a fuck.
More amazing to me that after all the effort and waiting to get Pep, people think he is being landed with a squad against his wishes full of players he doesnt want while all the big names he wants are ignored. And he is just going with it.
Despite him having a record of getting players under the radar in the past, who wanted Costa or Coman in the transfer thread last summer. Who thought playing Lahm in midfield instead of spending tens of millions on a midfielder was a good idea.
Pep has seen all our squad apart last week from players he already knows that arent back yet. He may well have changed who he wants, because he will have seen things in players we cant imagine, if we could we wouldnt be sat typing on a forum.
Reading Pep confidential has made me change my mind on what type of players we will go for, and understand that he has learnt in Germany how to overcome pressing teams and teams that sit and counter attack, the two tactics we have been weak against.
 
What we need is balance, and physicality is an important ingredient in that, particularly in a league like the Premiership. The trouble is you can't mention words like tackle and header on here without some puritanical high sparrow of the beautiful game assuming that you are advocating a return to the John Beck days of clubbing some seals to death in the warm up before breaking all the opposition's legs and then strapping the ball to a Soyuz test rocket and firing it 90 miles into outer space.

We came up short against virtually any team that wanted a scrap last season, with our most tragic performances coming against those prepared to operate a high press. Liverpool twice, Southampton, Stoke, Spurs etc etc. We didn't just lose, we got battered and it got to the point that you could foretell the outcome of certain fixtures just by looking at the team sheet. We played the dippers at Wembley with Ya Ya giving it his last hurrah alongside Fernando, and Fernandinho inside right to stop that little fucker Coutinho ripping us to shreds and we totally had their number. We went to Klanfield 3 days later with Aguero, Silva, Sterling and Navas as a front four and served up one of the most spineless surrenders of my life time, all of them levered off the ball non-stop for 90 minutes.
When you play teams who contest games with such intensity you have to be able to compete physically. It's not rocket science. It's why Watford (Deeney, Igalo), Newcastle (Sissoko, Cisse, Wijnaldum), the rags (Rashford, Martial, Valencia, Carrick, Bog brush), Palace (Sakho, Zaha) and West Ham (half the fricking team) beat the dippers comfortably whereas our diddymen got torn apart. They deployed any number of strapping midfielders and forwards, didn't get muscled out of possession and stung Liverpool on the counter attack. Doesn't mean that those teams represent the way forward - they all have their own Achilles Heels - but against particular teams playing a particular way they were very very effective, just as we were for example against a fair few of those very teams mentioned courtesy of the way we played.

Pep might be a great manager, but there's too much opinion on here (not yours I should stress) rooted in arrogance. This is a fucking gruelling league we're in, way more competitive than any other in Europe, and we will have our work cut out if we think that all we have to do is turn up and play champagne football, simply because half the teams won't let us. Pointing that out is not evidence of a fanny that needs a wipe or bed sheets that need changing, just a fact.

The defence will be alright as long as Kompany stays fit. What it is about any 2 from Otamendi, Stones and Mangala as a pairing that fills you with confidence I'm not sure though. In the swaggering out of defence with the ball under control stakes, Otamendi and Stones will excel. When questions are asked of them defensively well that might be another matter. Mangala isn't good enough full stop, and I will be surprised (as I will with Sterling) if he proves able to do the things Pep asks of him on a consistent enough basis to hold down a place in the squad long term, never mind the team.

The highlighted bit made me chuckle - great analogy.

The rest off it, well, I have nothing more to add ; other than:

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