The Bluemoon Song Cup 2023

[City Hobgoblin]

Well if you can't recognize Something, Kashmir, and Shine On You Crazy Diamond as classics then I truly despair. You excuse the loss of Something as "the group dislikes" whilst I lambast it as simply appalling taste.
All three of these are way better than Massive Attack, recorded by true musicians at the peak of their craft, as opposed to MA's mediocre producers/DJs.
I can guarantee that the songs that carry on being discovered and enjoyed by future generations will not be by Massive Attack and Soft Cell.

There is a strong argument that Shara Nelson is a better singer than George Harrison, though.
I was a bit surprised that Something wasn't more liked, it's the only Harrison track that isn't coming across all preachy and lecturing the listener.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Will leave last round table up on P1 for a couple days to see change in position.

	Songs left in the cup	Points		Songs out
Mad Eyed Screamer	2​	202​		There Is A Light / Spellbound / Irish Blood,English Heart
bennyboy	2​	184​		Arabian Nights / These Are The Days / The Last Time
Goaters Left shin	1​	174​		17 Going Under / Free Man In Paris / Sexy Boy / Common People
Johnnytapia	2​	166​		First Of The Gang / Now My Heart Is Full / Back On The Chain Gang
Levets	1​	138​		Run / Question / You're The Best Thing / Quicksand
Bill Walker	1​	136​		Rehab / Green Manalishi / Can't Get You Out Of My Head / Something
NzBlue	0​	130​		Radar Love / Bluemoon Revisited / Hurt / Shine On You Crazy Diamond / Kashmir
Journoloud	1​	119​		Coversation 16 / Work / Stop Your Tears / A House Is Not A Motel
Tourist Since 1971	1​	115​		Stargazer/ Bird Of Paradise/ Rooms On Fire/ Back To Black
BimboBob	1​	113​		Nothing Going On / Black Betty / Dr Who Theme / Get It Right Next Time
PinkFinal	0​	112​		Beautiful Thing / Time / Baby Love / Tears / Wuthering Heights
BedsBlue 68	1​	107​		Single Girl / Slice Of Lime / This Charming Man / Regret
BlueHammer85	1​	106​		Wicked Game / If I Had A Gun / Just Breathe / Angel Of Harlem
Protein Junkie	1​	89​		Bring Me To Life / Space / It's Only Natural / Everywhere
FogBlueInSanFran	1​	89​		All My Friends / Waiting Room / Take The Skinheads /Head Over Heels
Dogtanian	1​	79​		What's Up / Pumped Up Kicks / 2+2=5 / Sowing the Seeds of Love
bluejon	1​	75​		Chinese Satellite / My Delirum / Sing A Simple Song / How Lucky
bigstanhibbert	0​	73​		Happy Ever After / Have You Made Up Your Mind / Love Can Move Mountains / Hungry Heart
Saddleworth2	1​	68​		The Sensual / Among Angels / Black Dogs / For Emily
threespires	0​	51​		Sun Ain't Gonna Shine / Get Lucky / Bizarre Love Triangle / Alone Again Or / Feeling Good
Millo	0​	47​		My Way Of Thinking / Salvatore / Empire State Of Mind / Age Of Consent / Forever Young
Onholiday (somemightsay)	1​	42​		Porcelain / déjà vu / Little Bird / Dear Prudence
Lancet Fluke	0​	40​		One / All These Things / Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want / I Feel Love / Ring The Bells
Mancitydoogle	0​	40​		Car Wheels / Under The Pressure / Willin' / Refugee / Streets Of Philidelphia
Rob MCFC	0​	39​		Choice In Matter / Don't Dream It's Over / Free Fallin' / Sweet Child O' Mine / Crystal Frontier
Knaresborough Blue	0​	39​		Sinnerman / Try Again / Vanishing Point / Lovers Concerto / Earth,Wind,Fire
City Hobgoblin	0​	36​		Push The Button / Edith & the Kingpin /Leave The Capital / Streets Of Your Town / Oh Sweet Nothing
supercity 88	0​	30​		Songbird / Ocean Eyes / Crosses / Let It Be / Fake Plastic Trees
Out On Blue 6	0​	16​		Brainstorm / Remembering Me / Midnight In A Perfect World / Rembering Me / Dayvan Cowboy
Mrs BimboBob	0​	7​		Take On Me / Trustfall / Mr Brightside / Cuddly Toy / Two Princes
Coatigan	0​	6​		23 / When I'm Down / Lost Words / Tell Her This / Fireworks
denislawsbackheel	0​	0​		Kites / Why D'ya Do It / Kindling / Strange Weirdos / Love&Regret

Just checking........ yes...... still top of the league ;)

 

[Saddleworth2]

The collective makes this determination on an evolutionary basis over time.

What is ‘the collective’ mate? Art/music critics? The consumer? Surely all you can glean from those collectives is what is popular or ’good’ .
what or who defines terrible though?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

What is ‘the collective’ mate? Art/music critics? The consumer? Surely all you can glean from those collectives is what is popular or ’good’.

The answer is “yes”. All those things, combined. And “terrible” is simply the opposite of all that.

Just like in any democratic capitalist society, different people can disagree on what’s good — I.e. professional critics and consumers. One has more expertise and context; the other pays the bills — so each has their strengths/weaknesses.

Of course good and terrible can apply to the creative process and/or to technical execution. IMO too often the two are confused which narrows down what individuals like and closes off exposure/appreciation.

In the context of rock music for Western white men, IMO that typically means missing the creative for lack of the technical.

I’m a believer that professionals know more than I do, which is why I tend to listen to critics and to whom musicians tell me their influences are. And then I also listen to consumers — especially friends who like what I like.

 

[bigstanhibbert]

There absolutely is objectively terrible music, as there is terrible art and terrible food. Somebody liking terrible things doesn’t change the fact that they’re terrible. The collective makes this determination on an evolutionary basis over time. But we each have the freedom to like terrible things anyhow. This distinction is important I believe.

Go on then define terrible in your opinion, surely everyone's taste and opinion is subjective and one man's meat is another man's poison.

In the context of rock music for Western white men, that typically means missing the creative for lack of the technical.

You posted this recently, I presume this is your opinion rather than scientific, proven fact.

Personally, bands who are AOR, such as eagles, petty, john by jovi, kiss etc. As bad as i think this monotonous shit is they sell enough (if not more) to keep tour/playing/recoding.

So again, explain what is is objective terrible music, rather than subjective terrible music

Perhaps you could start with what you think is good, better, best

 

[PragueBlue]

There absolutely is objectively terrible music, as there is terrible art and terrible food. Somebody liking terrible things doesn’t change the fact that they’re terrible. The collective makes this determination on an evolutionary basis over time. But we each have the freedom to like terrible things anyhow. This distinction is important I believe.

Can't agree with that I'm afraid. You might consider that people like terrible music/art but to them that music/art is not terrible. What is terrible or not can only be subjective.

 

[RobMCFC]

Go on then define terrible in your opinion, surely everyone's taste and opinion is subjective and one man's meat is another man's poison.

You posted this recently, I presume this is your opinion rather than scientific, proven fact.

Personally, bands who are AOR, such as eagles, petty, john by jovi, kiss etc. As bad as i think this monotonous shit is they sell enough (if not more) to keep tour/playing/recoding.

So again, explain what is is objective terrible music, rather than subjective terrible music

Perhaps you could start with what you think is good, better, best

Tom Petty AOR? Good grief.

I like AOR by the way, but Petty is more of a modern rock n roller, as well as being one of the greatest songwriters of the modern rock era.
And before you ask who says so, I do (plus a hell of a lot of critics).

 

[Black&White&BlueMoon Town]

I was a bit surprised that Something wasn't more liked, it's the only Harrison track that isn't coming across all preachy and lecturing the listener.

Apparently more here were feeling that BOC "explored the space" better in their song from what I was reading between the lines in the replies.

 

[bigstanhibbert]

Tom Petty AOR? Good grief.

I like AOR by the way, but Petty is more of a modern rock n roller, as well as being one of the greatest songwriters of the modern rock era.
And before you ask who says so, I do (plus a hell of a lot of critics).

OK, what or how is a Tom Petty 'a modern rock n roller, as well as one of the greatest songwriters of the modern rock era'

Perchance you could explain where the roll has left from your idiom, and who are these so called critics (hell of a lot, you mention, please list the pillocks)

 

[RobMCFC]

OK, what or how is a Tom Petty 'a modern rock n roller, as well as one of the greatest songwriters of the modern rock era'

Perchance you could explain where the roll has left from your idiom, and who are these so called critics (hell of a lot, you mention, please list the pillocks)

David Fricke (American) and David Hepworth (British) spring to mind, but perhaps it more informative to look at the list of musicians paying tribute to Petty following his death. Or maybe look at the Peter Bogdanovic documentary and see the musicians who held him in high esteem.

The comment about modern "rock n roller" alludes to the fact that his music is more in the spirit of Elvis, Buddy Holly or The Byrds and Dylan than it is with the other artists that you mention. His music wasn't of the 70s or the 80s or the 90s (even though this was his popular period) - the point is that it could have been written at any time since the 50s. There's nothing in it that ties it to AOR or punk or grunge or any other sub-genre of rock. He knew how to write a good melody, a great middle-8 and brilliant choruses. He also had a great band, Mike Campbell (guitar) and Benmont Tench (keybboards) who played with him for all of this career.

Look, we all like different artists, but the point is, Petty is not some AOR artist who came and went in the 80s. He was big from the mid-70s to the 90s and well respected for all of his career until his untimely death.