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Dubois is underrated.

Yea he's like the shrimp farmer in Forrest grump when he speaks but he's coming into his own right now.
He's dangerous for any heavyweight..

I totally agree. I saw Dubois early on and he looked great. then he stagnated and then looked awesome against Joshua! To me, it's like he's rebooted his thought process in the game.

Unless Usyk moves better than he did against Fury, I think Dubois will win. I know I'm moving ahead to that fight, but I just don't think Parker will beat Dubois in this new version.
 
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Was very surprised at the decision last night. I only gave Usyk the 1st 6th and the last 2 rounds thought he struggled to get inside the majority of the fight and Tyson had his jab going well and was frustrating him.

Though boxing is very subjective and other than the last 2 rounds which were clear for Usyk I suppose all the other 10 were up in the air and Usyks 30 second flurries at the end of close rounds obviously appealed to the judges.
 
I totally agree. I saw Dubois early on and he looked great. then he stagnated and then looked awesome against Joshua! To me, it's like he's rebooted his thought process in the game.

Unless Usyk moves better than he did against Fury, I think Dubois will win. I know I'm moving ahead to that fight, but I just don't think Parker will beat Dubois in this new version.

Excited to see what Dubois can do now. I feel like the Joyce fight came too early and the injury he picked up in that made him a little tentative and gun shy afterwards. Credit to him though he's built himself back up and the manner of his win over AJ will have him full of confidence and with the power he possesses a confident and aggressive Dubois is a danger to anybody.

I'm really excited to follow Moses Itaumas career aswell. The hand speed he has for a heavyweight is incredible. If he has a chin and can stay focused he'll go right to the very top of the sport very quickly.
 
Fury came in heavy to ping Usyk out early but he would have known if the fight went further he would gas and that’s what happened . So happy with the result and it has restored my faith in the scoring abit . Usyk has had about 21 fights and he has unified cruiser and unified. Heavyweight which is out of this world and will go down as one of the greats . As for fury he is a good fighter with a mediocre resume and that’s it

Was very surprised at the decision last night. I only gave Usyk the 1st 6th and the last 2 rounds thought he struggled to get inside the majority of the fight and Tyson had his jab going well and was frustrating him.

Though boxing is very subjective and other than the last 2 rounds which were clear for Usyk I suppose all the other 10 were up in the air and Usyks 30 second flurries at the end of close rounds obviously appealed to the judges.
Didn’t you see rounds 7 and 8 when clearly Fury did fuck all but have a breather?Usyk cut off the ring and Fury was hardly dominant. His guard is ridiculously low and if Usyk had a bigger left hand he would be sleeping still
 
He'd lost 5 times already before he beat Lewis. Never said he wasn't tough but Usyk wouldn't need to knock him out to win he'd just box the absolute fuck out of him.

Usyk is unbeaten in multiple weight divisions beating the best along the way. Deserves more respect than Lewis would beat him and Tyson same night lol

I never agree with statements regarding beating two men on the same night but still believe prime Lennox Lewis beats both Usyk and Fury, the heavyweight division in Lennox Lewis's era was better the division was more competitive, even people on the cusp of the top 10 would probably have a chance of being a big name today.

Yes clearly Usyk deserves respect for his achievements but so does any boxer who gets into the ring, he's is the best heavyweight around today Usyk for me but I don't think he's top 10 ever yet some people online are even labelling him the greatest.

It's there to see Oliver McCall had lost 5 times, even Bernard Hopkins lost his first 2 fights and he became a p4p king.
Among the 5 losses McCall had though only one of them failed to became a world champion at some point, there was James Buster Douglas, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker and Orlin Norris who all held world titles in their career.

Too much emphasis is placed on losses and until this Saudi money nobody was fighting each other to keep their precious 0 which is far worse, there's no disgrace in Oliver McCall's 5 losses before Lewis just like there's a disgrace in Lewis's defeats, they both took on all comers which is more than can be said for a lot with padded records in the sport today.
 
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Didn’t you see rounds 7 and 8 when clearly Fury did fuck all but have a breather?Usyk cut off the ring and Fury was hardly dominant. His guard is ridiculously low and if Usyk had a bigger left hand he would be sleeping still

I was very stoned and need to rewatch rounds 6-10 in particular in fairness I was zoning out a bit. I do remember some good shots from Tyson himself in that period though I must have gave more credit to. Felt like Usyk was just trying to steal rounds by blitzing the last 30 seconds and wasn't doing enough to make up for the hard counters and jabs he had taken earlier in the rounds.

I'm happy for Usyk either way, Tysons a knob. What he has done unifying the Cruiser and Heavyweight divisions in such a short space of time while ducking nobody is incredible and one of the finest runs in boxing history. He is undoubtedly one of the all time boxing greats now Usyk and its well deserved. Incredible heart and skill.
 
Apart from the obvious fight with Joshua, I can’t really see many options going forward for Fury. If that fight goes ahead, and Joshua beats him (which I think he would, it would have to be the end of the road for Fury, shirley? He's 36 now (not quite Mike Tyson territory, but that was ludicrous), time for the Sanatogen multi-vitamins and the Werther's Originals.
It should be the end of the road for him now really, he's been saying he is only boxing for money for a long time. Fighting Joshua is a meaningless fight and surely after earning about £150million in his last two fights he doesn't need any more money.
 
Excited to see what Dubois can do now. I feel like the Joyce fight came too early and the injury he picked up in that made him a little tentative and gun shy afterwards. Credit to him though he's built himself back up and the manner of his win over AJ will have him full of confidence and with the power he possesses a confident and aggressive Dubois is a danger to anybody.

I'm really excited to follow Moses Itaumas career aswell. The hand speed he has for a heavyweight is incredible. If he has a chin and can stay focused he'll go right to the very top of the sport very quickly.

Agreed.

I'm not sure if Itaumas will last the spell at heavyweight. He's 19!

Much rather he dropped down to Cruiser and built up his game ready to dominate the heavy. I think his current track is faulty and not savvy for longevity at the minute. It looks great now but when he, inevitably, gets sparked, his confidence will go.

He's no Tyson, at that age, but he has the markings of a Holyfield.
 
Agreed.

I'm not sure if Itaumas will last the spell at heavyweight. He's 19!

Much rather he dropped down to Cruiser and built up his game ready to dominate the heavy. I think his current track is faulty and not savvy for longevity at the minute. It looks great now but when he, inevitably, gets sparked, his confidence will go.

He's no Tyson, at that age, but he has the markings of a Holyfield.

Not a bad idea going to Cruiserweight for him. I was wondering how he could progress his career as he's clearly way too good for the journeymen at heavyweight but you also don't want to throw a 19 year old to the Wolves. Could take a leaf out of Aspinalls book in MMA, he resisted the early hype and slowly rounded out his skills and gained experience slowly fighting better and better fighters and now he looks set up for a long long reign at the top.
 
I totally agree. I saw Dubois early on and he looked great. then he stagnated and then looked awesome against Joshua! To me, it's like he's rebooted his thought process in the game.

Unless Usyk moves better than he did against Fury, I think Dubois will win. I know I'm moving ahead to that fight, but I just don't think Parker will beat Dubois in this new version.
I like dubios but usyk will make adjustments and easily dismantle him if they fight as Parker could well be the champ by then
 
Not a bad idea going to Cruiserweight for him. I was wondering how he could progress his career as he's clearly way too good for the journeymen at heavyweight but you also don't want to throw a 19 year old to the Wolves. Could take a leaf out of Aspinalls book in MMA, he resisted the early hype and slowly rounded out his skills and gained experience slowly fighting better and better fighters and now he looks set up for a long long reign at the top.

Yes, exactly the trajectory he needs. Aspinall and Holyfield are excellent examples.

He, either, wants to get rich quick or wants to reign supreme. Sure he can do both, but it's super rare that that can happen.
 
I like dubios but usyk will make adjustments and easily dismantle him if they fight as Parker could well be the champ by then

Yes, it's interesting but Usyk isn't getting any younger even if his IQ remains.

Dubois is still learning and growing in confidence as he gets older.

It will be an interesting matchup... should it happen, but I think it will.
 
Lewis would definitely beat both at his best but you're right he doesn't give most if any an easy fight but this version of Lennox Lewis, in the fight totals below absolutely batters both of them, with no question about it whatsoever on that night he's miles ahead of both...

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Lennox Lewis in that first fight against Holyfield nearly landed more in just power punches alone, than either Usyk or Fury landed in total during both these fights...

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He was far more well conditioned than both of these guys in a much stronger era to suggest otherwise would be a joke, he hit with more accuracy and power than anybody Usyk has fought and had faster hands than Fury.
Fury despite losing both fights very fairly caught Usyk with a few clean uppercuts in that first fight, those uppercuts are meat and drink to Lewis he'd have dominated the centre of that ring, he'd also pulverised Usyk with those shots even if he had the toughness to pull through.

He's got a great entertaining style Usyk and it's a throwback to more well rounded heavyweight fighters of the past, despite really liking him though he's nowhere near the greatest heavyweights who've ever lived.

Usyk definitely struggled with energy against Daniel Dubois after he went to the body before Dubois then took that knee, this is despite Dubois himself before that fight having question marks over his own conditioning.
Chisora on Usyk's debut at heavy gave him problems to the body and drained him a fair bit even if it was one sided, he's great to watch but the thing is Usyk just stands out amongst a load of slow plodders nowadays.
Against serious pressure fighters of the past like Joe Frazier or Rocky Marciano tough guys who didn't care about taking a few digs to hurt their opponent, guys who cut the ring off expertly and don't stop punching to the body, in my view Usyk wouldn't do well and certainly appear more tired and unable to move as well.

It's bizarre to say this after seeing his torso but Fury is comfortably the most well conditioned fighter (stamina), that Usyk has fought at Heavyweight that's how much the division has tanked.

There's no question that he's a great boxer technically and aesthetically pleasing to watch Usyk, but Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes would dominate him with their jabs alone they were both better conditioned too, Ali is better at absolutely everything but despite saying what I've said Usyk is still a great fighter, I'd rank him as probably holding his own in most eras but he's not as great as many people would have you believe though.
Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Norton. All best Fury. All beat Usyk.
 
I like dubios but usyk will make adjustments and easily dismantle him if they fight as Parker could well be the champ by then
Dubois is as thick as shit and any power punching ability will be negated by his lack of basic intelligence it’s not a given he will beat Parker who is underrated
 
Apart from the obvious fight with Joshua, I can’t really see many options going forward for Fury. If that fight goes ahead, and Joshua beats him (which I think he would, it would have to be the end of the road for Fury, shirley? He's 36 now (not quite Mike Tyson territory, but that was ludicrous), time for the Sanatogen multi-vitamins and the Werther's Originals.
Logan Paul V Fury

He'll go for whoever offers the biggest cheque
 
Logan Paul V Fury

He'll go for whoever offers the biggest cheque
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