The Boxing thread

[Thomas Hearns]

But I didn't give him the 9th did I? Canelo had him hitting thin air in the rounds I gave him and countered effectively hitting him in his face... what more does he have to do? Oh but GGG was walking forward throwing punches(at the air) so he outworked him... great scoring there, you don't get points for that in the real world for those who know how score objectively. Nobody had it wide, that's a complete lie for a start, it was two rounds which were close that not everyone agrees with, despite your inaccurate assertions to the contrary... to call it a robbery is bullshit and I stand by that.

And no PEDs haven't moved on since steroids like you tell it mate(still the biggest cheat by a country mile, nothing builds muscle like steroids, that's irrefutable fact). I actually know what I'm talking about here, it was a weight cutting drug plain and simple, the same one that body builders use before a show to "cut weight"(the layer of fat they have over the muscle until the week before the show)...

What was in Canelo's system is worlds apart from steroids, I've done my research on that, I suggest you do the same. The man has been an athlete from his early teens, stamina isn't going to be problem for him if he trains the right way. Or else how do you explain the second GGG fight? Came in lighter, totally outworked him on the front foot from start to finish... and there was no way he was on anything for that fight, no way whatsoever. The truth is he doesn't need any of that and you and I both know it. In no way was I defending it, just pointing out peoples blatant double standards, in their ability to forgive far worse for other boxers but Canelo deserves no respect... it's all drugs, not talent with him apparently.

What's your stance on the steroid cheat Fury btw? Also did you score the second fight to GGG too as I suspect?

First fight 8-4, that’s wide, or maybe 7-4 or 7-5 at a pinch but a conclusive win. To dispute that the boxing community was largely amazed at the draw verdict is to be disingenuous. He didn’t hit thin air the whole fight or for whole rounds, he was landing consistently with hurtful shots. 2nd fight I had ggg by a round but in a fight so close I can understand any verdict so no problem with canelo getting that.

Muscles aren’t that useful for boxing so steroids are a lot less important than diuretics which enable Canelo to relatively comfortably make weight while maintaining his strength whilst his honest opponents have to boil down the hard, strength sapping way. Canelo has always had stamina issues, he used to only work sporadically during rounds until he found the answer in a lab.

 

[Metalartin]

First fight 8-4, that’s wide, or maybe 7-4 or 7-5 at a pinch but a conclusive win. To dispute that the boxing community was largely amazed at the draw verdict is to be disingenuous. He didn’t hit thin air the whole fight or for whole rounds, he was landing consistently with hurtful shots. 2nd fight I had ggg by a round but in a fight so close I can understand any verdict so no problem with canelo getting that.

Muscles aren’t that useful for boxing so steroids are a lot less important than diuretics which enable Canelo to relatively comfortably make weight while maintaining his strength whilst his honest opponents have to boil down the hard, strength sapping way. Canelo has always had stamina issues, he used to only work sporadically during rounds until he found the answer in a lab.

Interesting take to say the least. The amazement came from the ridiculous score card given by Byrd alone, not the fact that people thought GGG should have been given every single round. Maybe you have a very specific idea of what represents the boxing community but I know for a fact plenty of people were sensible enough to see it was a close fight and some of those rounds could have gone either way. Here's a hardcore boxing fan with his own channel, who was disgusted with the card, clearly no fan of Canelo but was still able to look at it objectively, which some people are obviously incapable of:
"Not even close to a robbery"


When you're basically splitting hairs over 1 or two rounds maximum it's not a wide decision. The fact is, for those rounds in question, he was indeed being made to hit air and being countered effectively a lot more than he was dishing it out and the shots Canelo got hit with in those rounds were anything but hurtful(Canelo was landing more cleanly and more consistently which is why he won those 6 rounds for me).

I will leave it there anyway, as it gets boring going over the same stuff. But to say steroids are less of a cheat than a weight cutting substance, is so obviously wrong to anyone who does know their stuff and the reason why they are far more dangerous should be obvious to anyone, boxing fan or not.

Maybe I was a little harsh with the initial response to the negativity(I've since toned that post down), I just thought it would be nice if some credit was given where it's due for a change but some things never change.

It was a good fight, not an all time great but neither fighter let anyone down, there was also nothing wrong with the scoring, so it was a good night for boxing.

 

[Paul1970]

Interesting take to say the least. The amazement came from the ridiculous score card given by Byrd alone, not the fact that people thought GGG should have been given every single round. Maybe you have a very specific idea of what represents the boxing community but I know for a fact plenty of people were sensible enough to see it was a close fight and some of those rounds could have gone either way. Here's a hardcore boxing fan with his own channel, who was disgusted with the card, clearly no fan of Canelo but was still able to look at it objectively, which some people are obviously incapable of:
"Not even close to a robbery"


When you're basically splitting hairs over 1 or two rounds maximum it's not a wide decision. The fact is, for those rounds in question, he was indeed being made to hit air and being countered effectively a lot more than he was dishing it out and the shots Canelo got hit with in those rounds were anything but hurtful(Canelo was landing more cleanly and more consistently which is why he won those 6 rounds for me).

I will leave it there anyway as it gets boring going over the same stuff. But to say steroids are less of a cheat than a weight cutting substance, is so obviously wrong to anyone who does know their stuff and the reason why they are far more dangerous should be obvious to anyone, boxing fan or not.

Maybe I was a little harsh with the initial response to the negativity(I've since toned that post down), I just thought it would be nice some credit was given where it's due for a change but some things never change.

It was a good fight, not an all time great but neither fighter let anyone down, there was also nothing wrong with the scoring, so it was a good night for boxing.

Doesn’t matter what he took he still cheated in the eyes of the boxing board . As for last nights fight Jacobs never did enough to win in fact he got beat fair and square by triple g as well . Only way Jacobs beats canelo is either a KO or by winning every round which I don’t think he is capable off . Do you agree or disagree that canelo has never been favoured by the judges in any of his fights

 

[Metalartin]

Doesn’t matter what he took he still cheated in the eyes of the boxing board . As for last nights fight Jacobs never did enough to win in fact he got beat fair and square by triple g as well . Only way Jacobs beats canelo is either a KO or by winning every round which I don’t think he is capable off . Do you agree or disagree that canelo has never been favoured by the judges in any of his fights

I had Jacobs winning the GGG fight but had no problems with anyone scoring it to GGG as it was a close fight.

I do agree there is disturbing pattern with some of the score cards in some of Canelos fights and it's all down to Golden Boy but lets not pretend he's the only fighter who's had that. When a big fight is on the horizon, the money men make sure their investment stays safe. The good thing is, the first GGG was not a robbery despite that dodgy score card, he did just about shade the Lara fight(Jacobs is GGGs Lara) too, even though the scorecards were suspect. For any other fight, he won clearly enough for any dodgy score cards to become irrelevant.

 

[Thomas Hearns]

Interesting take to say the least. The amazement came from the ridiculous score card given by Byrd alone, not the fact that people thought GGG should have been given every single round. Maybe you have a very specific idea of what represents the boxing community but I know for a fact plenty of people were sensible enough to see it was a close fight and some of those rounds could have gone either way. Here's a hardcore boxing fan with his own channel, who was disgusted with the card, clearly no fan of Canelo but was still able to look at it objectively, which some people are obviously incapable of:
"Not even close to a robbery"


When you're basically splitting hairs over 1 or two rounds maximum it's not a wide decision. The fact is, for those rounds in question, he was indeed being made to hit air and being countered effectively a lot more than he was dishing it out and the shots Canelo got hit with in those rounds were anything but hurtful(Canelo was landing more cleanly and more consistently which is why he won those 6 rounds for me).

I will leave it there anyway, as it gets boring going over the same stuff. But to say steroids are less of a cheat than a weight cutting substance, is so obviously wrong to anyone who does know their stuff and the reason why they are far more dangerous should be obvious to anyone, boxing fan or not.

Maybe I was a little harsh with the initial response to the negativity(I've since toned that post down), I just thought it would be nice if some credit was given where it's due for a change but some things never change.

It was a good fight, not an all time great but neither fighter let anyone down, there was also nothing wrong with the scoring, so it was a good night for boxing.

One blogger ffs.

Chances are if he’s taking diuretics it’s not just for weight cutting it’s to conceal other drug use in urine tests. He’s a drug cheat end of story. If you love boxing you condemn him, if you don’t it makes you seem like a fanboy

 

[Metalartin]

One blogger ffs.

Chances are if he’s taking diuretics it’s not just for weight cutting it’s to conceal other drug use in urine tests. He’s a drug cheat end of story. If you love boxing you condemn him, if you don’t it makes you seem like a fanboy

There's plenty more who hold the same opinion though, you just want to pretend everyone agrees with you when they don't.

Your hatred of Canelo affects your ability to view things objectively, your theories are just that, theories and people have the same for GGG being on the juice, as well as many other fighters in the P4P list. Clenbuterol only has a slight diuretic effect, so that theory does not work with the trace amounts found in his system. He was tested 3 times was it? Nothing else was found, so I don't subscribe to any of those theories personally.

As I said using Clen is still considered cheating and I'm not defending that(hopefully he has learned he doesn't need any of that after the GGG rematch) but there are levels to cheating and most pro boxers have at some point tried to gain an edge however slight. You'd have no boxers left if you took that "no way back for him" stance with everyone. If you love boxing you don't have double standards just to suit one fighter. Condemning Canelo but giving Fury(who was caught red handed doing worse, no theories needed) a pass is just that. Pacquiao never got this level of hate and his career was far more suspect if you look properly. It's baffling to me that some fighters are a no go for any criticism whatsoever and for others simply not hating them is seen as blasphemy.

As I said it's boring and been done to death, so lets leave it there.

 

[Thomas Hearns]

There's plenty more who hold the same opinion though, you just want to pretend everyone agrees with you when they don't.

Your hatred of Canelo affects your ability to view things objectively, your theories are just that, theories and people have the same for GGG being on the juice, as well as many other fighters in the P4P list. Clenbuterol only has a slight diuretic effect, so that theory does not work with the trace amounts found in his system. He was tested 3 times was it? Nothing else was found, so I don't subscribe to any of those theories personally.

As I said using Clen is still considered cheating and I'm not defending that(hopefully he has learned he doesn't need any of that after the GGG rematch) but there are levels to cheating and most pro boxers have at some point tried to gain an edge however slight. You'd have no boxers left if you took that "no way back for him" stance with everyone. If you love boxing you don't have double standards just to suit one fighter. Condemning Canelo but giving Fury(who was caught red handed doing worse, no theories needed) a pass is just that. Pacquiao never got this level of hate and his career was far more suspect if you look properly. It's baffling to me that some fighters are a no go for any criticism whatsoever and for others simply not hating them is seen as blasphemy.

As I said it's boring and been done to death, so lets leave it there.

You’re putting words in my mouth. Didn’t say I hated canelo, I’m merely saying that the consensus view is that ggg won the first fight and that canelo is a cheat. I’m happy for anyone to condemn any drug cheat whoever they are. Claims about ggg or any boxer being on the juice are just tittle tattle until they fail a test so I think it’s a pretty low blow from a boxing fan to aim a cheap shot at him. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Adidas Sharston]

Don't see Galahad beating Warrington but should be a decent fight. JW has always had stamina but now puts meat on his punches. I didn't rate him at first but hes proved a few wrong.
Allen v Price won't go past 6 rnds, can only see a ko, probably in favour DA.
Dubious v Gorman just been called for July, think Daniel will have to much.

 

[Metalartin]

Is Gorman looking better these days? Seemed to have a long way to go last time I saw him fight.

 

[mccity]

WBC have ordered a Fury vs Whyte match with the winner to become mandatory challenger to Wilder.


Somehow I suspect this won't happen.