Metalartin
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Better boxer? Fury.
Question for you: How do you cherry pick a mandatory? Title fights and unification fights can't be considered cherry picks either. Take those out and the mandataries and tell me where are all these cherry picks? Unless you're going back to his first 14 fights but then Fury's resume holds up no better there(if you want me go into all that I can).
In fact I will just tell you, he only had 3 voluntaries outside of the title fights/unification bouts and mandataries. Those were an undefeated Breazeale(who was ranked top 10 at the time). Molina which was just a tickover because they were trying to secure a unification bout against Wlad for the vacant WBA and IBO. Andy Ruiz Jr, who was 3rd choice behind Miller who was supposed to be the home fighter for a NYC fight(but popped dirty for a pharmacy full of PEDs). Ortiz, who's manager admits he messed up by turning that career high payday down by dismissing it as a "low ball" offer(if I recall correctly he didn't even tell Ortiz what the offer was worth, who was pissed when learned how much he lost out on). I think PBC wanted to protect Wilder's biggest win from being diminished personally. Ruiz Jr was never that bad of a fighter, he just wasn't well known. Most had him winning the vacant WBO bout against Parker in NZ(could have been the an undefeated world title holder in his own right when he met AJ instead). He was in shape too(had no time to get out of shape), he was in a meeting with Hearn days after a straight forward win against Dimitrenko(stopped in 5 rounds). The fight was signed within a week of that fight.
The cherry picking argument was always nonsense from people who don't know what mandataries are. It was really just about 2 fights in particular that haven't happened yet. The fact that they haven't happened yet, is not mutually exclusive with AJ not being a cherry picker, because AJ tried to make those fights. Wilder was always the one ducking AJ. Fury turned down 1 offer from AJ before the first Wilder rematch and it would take some serious mental gymnastics to blame AJ for why the Saudi fight didn't happen(personally I think Fury/Arum always intended on fighting Wilder a 3rd time). So Wilder has had at least 2 genuine offers from AJ and Fury has too, those are facts.
Another question: If AJ "can't take a punch", how did he take multiple flush shots, while gassed against a fighter with 53kos and statistically one of the best right hands in HW boxing(remember reading a stat about that)? Wilder was knocked out cold by Wlad with his second hardest punch(left hook), with headgear on. Confirmed by multiple people who were there. Those are facts, when put together, the logical conclusion would be that AJ has a better chin than Wilder.
You want to posture like you know the facts better than myself but you clearly don't(all this "you were wrong" talk is so ironic) or you wouldn't have typed the waffle you typed there. Can't take a punch... bullshit... Cherry picked opponents... bullshit.
You can have your opinions by all means but if you say something factually incorrect, then it's fair if someone wants to correct you on it. It seems this is what you're really annoyed about.
As for being "gassed":
AJ did have hype and lots of backing from early on, I agree. He was extremely marketable as demonstrated by his many brand endorsements. That never really bothered me much(it's nothing new in sports or boxing), nor is it relevant to the discussion about how good he is as a boxer, or how good his opponents have been. Which is all relative, if I say his top 6 best wins(Whyte, Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Ruiz Jr) are better than most of the top 10s, that's not the same as saying those wins were all amazing and of equal quality. I just means he's fought more highly ranked fighters than most of the top 10. You're free to disagree with that but at least show your reasoning, show me a top 5-6 that's better at HW currently. Fury's is closer now IMO - Chisora, Wlad, Wilder, Whyte.... Otto Wallin? Usyk - Chisora, AJ. Whyte - Chisora, Parker, Rivas, Povetkin-Recovering from Covid... Browne? Wilder - Ortiz... Stiverne?(hows he worth any more than a Charles Martin?). When people resort to just nit picking, in an attempt to dismiss all of AJ's best wins, it's like some people haven't even looked at the other fighters resumes(because you can do the same for theirs), before getting into an argument about it. You'd think that would be the minimum requirement for any comparisons to be drawn. Comparing their best wins based on the facts is not being a fanboy. I'd probably do the same with other fighters if I felt they were being held to a different standard or being dismissed via misinformation.
See that whole post of yours there screams either raving Fury fanboy or obsessed AJ hater who gets triggered(which is even weirder energy) at any comments that are remotely complimentary about AJ. How about AJ proved YOU wrong about his chin when he got up after several clean blows from a fighter with 53kos to his name. I've proved you wrong about the cherrypicking myth(twitter nonsense). You haven't the foggiest idea about most of the names on AJ's resume and why he fought them(mandataries, unification bouts etc). AJ proved you wrong by becoming not just world champion but a unified world champion. It's pretty obvious the way you're going on that you were one of those know it alls saying "I've seen this before, he's just another Audley Harrisson". That aged like milk considering how far he came(the two are literally incomparable). You probably expected Wlad to beat him too, not that you'll admit it. Now you're trying to save face in hindsight by applying all sorts of spin and plain inaccurate waffle. It's like the Sterling haters taken to the extreme, the ones that said he would be a £50m flop and got pissy with everyone who argued otherwise("I know my football yeah, you watch, he'll flop and I'll come back to this"). You just can't admit you were wrong because it would damage your ego. As for giving it the big I am about following Ricky Hatton(as if Ricky wasn't "gassed" himself, as you put it... I could see he was but I was still a fan of his too btw).. who gives a hoot, if you're chatting nonsense? It doesn't change anything about you being wrong in some of the things you're saying.
I find you quite bizarre really... how can someone who is wrong about so much of what he's saying pipe up about other people being proven wrong?
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