The Boxing thread

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Another funny thing is people used to say Mayweather would run. When, in fact, he actually stood in the pocket more than many fighters. It’s not his fault he could fight in the pocket if needed and still hardly get it. He did have excellent movement and great feet, so he could mix it up and was extremely quick at getting out of range if needed and sensed danger. But most of the time he was well within range to land his pull counters, check hooks and things like that, and the whole purpose of those counter punches is being in range to bait your opponent but having the timing to make them pay. I would ask anybody to point me to one fight from around the De La Hoya fight to the end of his career where he actually ran or moved excessively. They won’t be able to.


Anyway in terms of the fight last night, I really didn’t expect Smith to stop Eubank, I don’t think anyone really did but that’s boxing. Smith is a very clever operator and excellent with his front foot pressure. if you watch just before the first time he dropped him, you can see that he realises Eubank exaggerates all his movements when you are feinting. So he just keeps feinting and using his front foot pressure and Eubank keeps exaggerating his movements backwards until he’s trapped in the corner. and it doesn’t really matter how good your chin is because when you’re in the corner and flustered you can’t really ride shots that well, you don’t really see them coming and one big punch in that situation when you’re completely vulnerable can hurt the best chins.

Eubank is a good athlete, but at 33 you’re athleticism is usually on the decline and you have to rely on your ring IQ and skills and he’s never been great in those departments. I don’t think 2 weight cuts in about four months has helped him either with his punch resistance. If you look throughout the history of boxing and take fighters that heavily relied on natural athleticism, instead of boxing craft, they were usually pretty much finished by their early 30’s.

The the Mayweather thing is bollocks - I've re-watched all of his fight's (probably as far back as De la Hoya when they were on Sky catch-up) no longer have sky, but it is a misconception that even I used to believe to a point.

When you watch them, a lot of the time he is within distance and pending the stage of the fight, he is the aggressor. He manipulates the fights so that they are done on his terms and his timetable.

Look at how mediocre he made brilliant brilliant fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez - an absolute class act, loved a scrap and a great counter puncher. Floyd made him look as average as they come.

The fighter that seemed to give him most problems was Maidana - terrific to watch and tough as nails but not necessarily the most gifted.

I fell asleep before the fight last night, I had an inkling for Smith on point's but didn't believe he would stop him.

Eubank jnr is tough and gets himself into tremendous shape but he is severely limited (even with working with someone as astute as Roy Jones jnr). You are bang on with the weight cutting, same reason I would have given Benn jnr a sniff purely because of how much I think it will take out of him to make weight........

 

[Corky]

Eubank by his own admission was going into the fight 50% ready.

I know he was chatting shit, but should lose his purse for that stunt. Well rid of this joker. Another battering and he will end up skint like his WBO loving dad.

 

[Crooked_rain]

The the Mayweather thing is bollocks - I've re-watched all of his fight's (probably as far back as De la Hoya when they were on Sky catch-up) no longer have sky, but it is a misconception that even I used to believe to a point.

When you watch them, a lot of the time he is within distance and pending the stage of the fight, he is the aggressor. He manipulates the fights so that they are done on his terms and his timetable.

Look at how mediocre he made brilliant brilliant fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez - an absolute class act, loved a scrap and a great counter puncher. Floyd made him look as average as they come.

The fighter that seemed to give him most problems was Maidana - terrific to watch and tough as nails but not necessarily the most gifted.

I fell asleep before the fight last night, I had an inkling for Smith on point's but didn't believe he would stop him.

Eubank jnr is tough and gets himself into tremendous shape but he is severely limited (even with working with someone as astute as Roy Jones jnr). You are bang on with the weight cutting, same reason I would have given Benn jnr a sniff purely because of how much I think it will take out of him to make weight........

Yeah, I thought it was gonna be a 12 rounder with Eubank winning a controversial decision or something. It had 12 rounds written all over it before the fight. Eubank always had a good chin and Liam Smith is an endurance fighter that grinds people down. The least likely outcome pretty much happened. Funny game is boxing.

Also yeah I agree about Mayweather. Maidana was a problem for him because he was so unorthodox. Floyd’s thing was to basically read you in 2 rounds, compute all your patterns and then just take over but Maidana himself didn’t really know what he was gonna do a lot of the time, so Mayweather never got a good read on him. That’s why Floyd had much easier fights with people who were better than Maidana and more “correct”. Floyd was definitely showing signs of age too though. I think his last fight in his true athletic prime was the Marquez fight. From the Mosley fight onwards, his legs didn’t quite have the same spring, would be a bit more flat footed etc. still far better than most with his feet but not quite the same. But he was still elite because of his ring intelligence and skills

And that goes back to what we were saying about Eubank, that his boxing career has mostly been based on the fact he is a naturally good athlete but once the athleticism goes a bit in your 30s, then you really have to have the boxing ability and boxing brain… and he doesn’t.

 

[shevtheblue]

Groves was a brilliant fighter and as you said a true Super-Middleweight but the fact is he was fighting Eubank with his left arm dangling and still dishing out a lesson to Eubank.

I just don't see it with Eubank I think he's bang average, I don't think you can put anyone down as a really good fighter with victories against Williams, O'Sullivan, Abraham, Morriston ect He's come up against three seriously good boxers in his entire career Smith, Groves and Saunders and beaten in all three.

I don't know where he goes from here, Prince Naseem was right all that time ago, Time to hang the gloves up before he gets hurt badly.

Eubank has his level, like i said it's not World level. Smith isn't World level either, i just think him and Eubank are about a similar stage.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Yeah, I thought it was gonna be a 12 rounder with Eubank winning a controversial decision or something. It had 12 rounds written all over it before the fight. Eubank always had a good chin and Liam Smith is an endurance fighter that grinds people down. The least likely outcome pretty much happened. Funny game is boxing.

Also yeah I agree about Mayweather. Maidana was a problem for him because he was so unorthodox. Floyd’s thing was to basically read you in 2 rounds, compute all your patterns and then just take over but Maidana himself didn’t really know what he was gonna do a lot of the time, so Mayweather never got a good read on him. That’s why Floyd had much easier fights with people who were better than Maidana and more “correct”. Floyd was definitely showing signs of age too though. I think his last fight in his true athletic prime was the Marquez fight. From the Mosley fight onwards, his legs didn’t quite have the same spring, would be a bit more flat footed etc. still far better than most with his feet but not quite the same. But he was still elite because of his ring intelligence and skills

And that goes back to what we were saying about Eubank, that his boxing career has mostly been based on the fact he is a naturally good athlete but once the athleticism goes a bit in your 30s, then you really have to have the boxing ability and boxing brain… and he doesn’t.

Spot on.......

 

[Fat Chance]

He lost his son..but truth be told chris was narct out of his bollox 30 yrs ago..when a narcissist hits rock bottom its never a good look...poor soul.

 

[Marlo]

I made a very nice sum of money that night with Mayweather. I thought it was hilarious people thinking McGregor could win that fight.
Plus UFC fighters can't hit as hard as a boxer and I will always stand by that.

The two fights I had good money and won was Mayweather Pac and Mayweather Mcgregor. The first one was risky as fuck as I didn't have that much money at the time. But jesus rarely will you get odds like that again.

 

[bluemc1]

The two fights I had good money and won was Mayweather Pac and Mayweather Mcgregor. The first one was risky as fuck as I didn't have that much money at the time. But jesus rarely will you get odds like that again.

The first time I won money on Mayweather was when he fought Corrales, Mayweather wasn’t a household name over here at the time but I was a huge boxing fan
They were both 5/6 and I put £120 on Mayweather

Read a pre fight preview on a Mayweather fight towards the end of his career and the prediction was Mayweather, the article said “ I could poll every nation on earth on all the people who have won money backing against Mayweather and the result would be zero “

In the world of boxing he was a genius

 

[Paul1970]

Cracking fight tonight with yarde fighting beterbiev . Beterbiev is one of the modern greats atm and us a fucking animal .

 

[Paul1970]

I've see people call Mayweather the exact same that's when I'd just walk away from those people. The name of the game is hit your opponent and avoid getting hit and Mayweather is the master at it!

I've seen people saying Eubank Jr is unbelievable ect...I know it's all about opinions, I think he's far from unbelievable he's a million miles away from it. Calling out GGG even before fighting Smith is an absolute joke. Why didn't he call out GGG when GGG was in his prime? Even now GGG would stop Eubank and that's him being in his 40's.

Smith got nowhere near enough credit to the build up to this fight, His boxing brain is above and beyond Eubank. He has a skill of closing off the ring and staying close to men with a longer reach. I thought he was magnificent last night especially the first two rounds.

Mayweather had the ability to adjust to any problem that came up in the ring and mastered the art of not getting hit . He is up there with the greats .