It wasn't good fight management, his coach said last night he naively punched himself out after getting the knock down in the 5th and had to hold on in those rounds just to recover. His coach made it pretty clear it was a mistake because of his inexperience.
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It wasn't good fight management, his coach said last night he naively punched himself out after getting the knock down in the 5th and had to hold on in those rounds just to recover. His coach made it pretty clear it was a mistake because of his inexperience.
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Taking the rounds off wasn't the mistake.It wasn't good fight management, his coach said last night he naively punched himself out after getting the knock down in the 5th and had to hold on in those rounds just to recover. His coach made it pretty clear it was a mistake because of his inexperience.
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Nah. The ref did his job and was protecting him. He'd been put down twice in a minute and wasn't offering anything.Thought the ref stopped it slightly prematurely. When he stopped it the punches were hitting gloves and missing.
He wasn't coming back and the referee is there to ensure his safety.
Taking the rounds off wasn't the mistake.
He was surviving, it wasn't planned or a tactic, he was just doing anything he could to not get finished off.
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Yes and to allow him to survive into the later rounds. It was good ring craft and he managed the situation he was in very well.He was surviving, it wasn't planned or a tactic, he was just doing anything he could to not get finished off.
You have every right to disagree if you want but you won't convince me in the slightest.
Nah. The ref did his job and was protecting him. He'd been put down twice in a minute and wasn't offering anything.
He wasn't coming back and the referee is there to ensure his safety.
Can't argue with that, although there was a point when I thought Joshua was going to get stopped, he seemed to be at the point of no return but somehow managed to hang on for the bell in a couple of rounds. Both fighters deserve all the plaudits for me, each gave everything they had.
Yes and to allow him to survive into the later rounds. It was good ring craft and he managed the situation he was in very well.
You have every right to disagree if you want but you won't convince me in the slightest.
I just don't understand how you can call it good ring craft, he fucked up and punched himself out. Doing what he did for the next few rounds was barely move, take a lot of punches and very nearly get finished off. He survived, barely, but there was no ringcraft to it, he wasn't deliberately storing up energy for the last rounds, he was just trying not to lose.
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I just don't understand how you can call it good ring craft, he fucked up and punched himself out. Doing what he did for the next few rounds was barely move, take a lot of punches and very nearly get finished off. He survived, barely, but there was no ringcraft to it, he wasn't deliberately storing up energy for the last rounds, he was just trying not to lose.
Ok. You're wrong though.
Ok. You're wrong though.
Ok, you're wrong though.
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The fight last night proved two things. 1) that Joshua isn't as good as some of the hype but 2) he can take a beating and come back and he can go the distance.
1) is Eddie Hearns doing
2) is right in a way, but may have been done in by a younger heavyweight in the same position.
Much to learn.
He was a sitting duck though, he threw nothing for 2 rounds. Wlad needed to throw combinations, let them hands go but he didn't. He did try that left hook a few times but if he let loose there was no way AJ was surviving, no way. AJ has that power that can KO anyone but I do feel it's a matter of time until someone stops him, most likely Wilder.I think you give AJ no credit for bobbing and weaving enough to get his facilities back in order. By the end of the second round of doing that, you could visibly see the confidence surge back in him.
Give him some credit for not being a sitting duck at his most vulnerable point!
He was badly hurt against Whyte and again against Klitschko. If Klitschko put the same effort in to finishing it as Whyte did he would have the belts right now.Joshua cant take a punch
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Bloody hell you can tell a young hungry British lad from the inner city has won a major fight and set himself up for a great career.
People can't wait to pick holes in him.
What is it about Wlad that people think is so great and about AJ that people can't wait to criticise him and downplay his win?
People can't wait to pick holes in him.
What is it about Wlad that people think is so great and about AJ that people can't wait to criticise him and downplay his win?
My take on Joshua ( probably going to get shot down for this ) is he's a big slugger how hits incredibly hard. Last night showed he has guts and resilience but I don't think he fought a smart fight. And it's an alarming to be absolutely shagged after throwing punches for 1 minute and needing several rounds to recover.
Klitchko fought well for his age but it was the right time for match room to make this fight and it nearly back fired. Can't see many heavyweights beating him maybe fury, if fury gets back to his best he could run rings round him. Joshua is the best there is at the moment but I think it shows how bad the heavyweight scene is that there are few to take advantage of his weakenesses.
Klitchko fought well for his age but it was the right time for match room to make this fight and it nearly back fired. Can't see many heavyweights beating him maybe fury, if fury gets back to his best he could run rings round him. Joshua is the best there is at the moment but I think it shows how bad the heavyweight scene is that there are few to take advantage of his weakenesses.
You're all saying with hindsight that klitchko should of finished him off when he had the chance, maybe you're right. maybe if klitchko had tried to finish him and Joshua had caught him and ko'd him you would all be on here saying he should of took his time, not rushed in
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Joshua is a very young fighter. He was fighting a guy who fought at the top for many years and won. Of course it's hard if he's never gone the distance before but that's why Joshua needed that fight now. He'll be all the better for it IMO.My take on Joshua ( probably going to get shot down for this ) is he's a big slugger how hits incredibly hard. Last night showed he has guts and resilience but I don't think he fought a smart fight. And it's an alarming to be absolutely shagged after throwing punches for 1 minute and needing several rounds to recover.
Klitchko fought well for his age but it was the right time for match room to make this fight and it nearly back fired. Can't see many heavyweights beating him maybe fury, if fury gets back to his best he could run rings round him. Joshua is the best there is at the moment but I think it shows how bad the heavyweight scene is that there are few to take advantage of his weakenesses.
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This.Bloody hell you can tell a young hungry British lad from the inner city has won a major fight and set himself up for a great career.
People can't wait to pick holes in him.
What is it about Wlad that people think is so great and about AJ that people can't wait to criticise him and downplay his win?
There's almost a sense of denial from some people... how anyone can take this fight as a negative or a poor performance from Joshua I don't know. People need to swallow their pride and admit they wrote him off as another Audley Harrison too early.
Sure he was outboxed in some periods of the fight but a) He will learn from it and improve, also he wasn't overwhelmed by Wlad he held his own. b) The good thing is there's no other heavyweights on a technical level that Wlad showed last night(nobody's telling me Wilder is on that level there's just no way), he looked fresher and hungrier than he has done for years, as I said he beat a much better version of Wlad than Fury did.
This.
There's almost a sense of denial from some people... how anyone can take this fight as a negative or a poor performance from Joshua I don't know. People need to swallow their pride and admit they wrote him off as another Audley Harrison too early.
Sure he was outboxed in some periods of the fight but a) He will learn from it and improve, also he wasn't overwhelmed by Wlad he held his own. b) The good thing is there's no other heavyweights on a technical level that Wlad showed last night(nobody's telling me Wilder is on that level there's just no way), he looked fresher and hungrier than he has done for years, as I said he beat a much better version of Wlad than Fury did.
I think it's probably a case of some of us comparing him with fighters of the past. In the 90s for example he's just a plodding heavyweight, I could see Bruno beating him tbh with you. From a boxing standpoint he's more brawn than brain and has a long way to go. He imo isn't the second coming of a Tyson or Lewis as Sky would have you believed he's a massive bloke with a big punch on him technically he's not all that. Good fight though I really enjoyed it and he deserved his win for touching it out
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My stream kept going down but I thought Joshua did all the right things after going down, most importantly he didn't panic, he actually slipped a few shots that told Wlad he still had his wits about him... he did look gassed in that 6th round though. For me Wlad was smart not to rush in Joshua(he was gassed but very much still with it and dangerous) has the power to knock anyone in the game out and he picked his shots so well, showed a nice variation on his choice of punches, I was quite surprised by how good he was at that against someone as good as Wlad.
I thought after the 5th round knockdown, Joshua let himself think the job was nearly done which led to getting caught big with that right hand. He does need to work on his defence, he leaves himself so open for the counter after some of his punches, he needs to bring in a coach that can tighten up that defence and work on his upper body movement... it's totally doable though, he's a young and a Joshua who's harder to hit would make for quite a fighter.
I thought after the 5th round knockdown, Joshua let himself think the job was nearly done which led to getting caught big with that right hand. He does need to work on his defence, he leaves himself so open for the counter after some of his punches, he needs to bring in a coach that can tighten up that defence and work on his upper body movement... it's totally doable though, he's a young and a Joshua who's harder to hit would make for quite a fighter.