The Boxing thread

Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Nobody is backing Bellew, that isn't the issue, a leak like that stems from within, hence the specifics to the injury and Bellew quick to highlight he has to fight... You're ignoring the fact that Haye will have a clause in the contract pertaining to payouts and injuries... He'd get in that ring with an arm in the sling and bandage over his eye, he's undoubtedly unsettling Bellew as it will be his biggest ever guaranteed pay day, that will now play on his mind up until the night of the fight.... It's now 1-1 after the press conference!!
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The flack Haye is getting now would have been obvious to see coming as I said... not at all what any of Haye's team wants going into the fight, the media and fans are already bringing up the Tyson fiasco and the Klitschko toe excuse he's not dumb nor are his team it's brought nothing but bad mojo, they don't need mind games is the strongest point to make because Haye truly believes he has the beating of him(as he should). The only other reason for it IMO would be to bump up viewing figures giving Bellew more of a chance with an injury rumour(probably doesn't have one at all) it might have been something the promotion teams agreed on when I think about it they both want a pay day, I can certainly see Haye taking a bit more stick than usual if it meant a bigger pay day.

We don't know the specifics of the contracts so it's a bit pointless to speculate but injuries rarely affect payouts unless it results in a no contest, the fight will not be allowed to go ahead in the first place if he's not fit to fight there's all sorts of regulations to comply with and Haye will probably be thoroughly checked out as a result of this rumour(another reason not to leak it if that was the plan). If he has an injury and the plan is what? To make it a no contest? Risk losing and use that as an excuse? He would know he would get slaughtered for that reputation wise, whatever gain he'd make in the short term financially it would cost him far more long term.

Personally I think Haye would be best served not blasting him out in a couple of rounds and making the actual fight more of a spectacle for once, he can talk up his viewers all he wants but he knows damn well he has to start putting on some good fights, even the casuals will start tuning out soon.
 
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Metalartin said:
The flack Haye is getting now would have been obvious to see coming as I said... not at all what any of Haye's team wants going into the fight, the media and fans are already bringing up the Tyson fiasco and the Klitschko toe excuse he's not dumb nor are his team it's brought nothing but bad mojo, they don't need mind games is the strongest point to make because Haye truly believes he has the beating of him(as he should). The only other reason for it IMO would be to bump up viewing figures giving Bellew more of a chance with an injury rumour(probably doesn't have one at all) it might have been something the promotion teams agreed on when I think about it they both want a pay day, I can certainly see Haye taking a bit more stick than usual if it meant a bigger pay day.

We don't know the specifics of the contracts so it's a bit pointless to speculate but injuries rarely affect payouts unless it results in a no contest, the fight will not be allowed to go ahead in the first place if he's not fit to fight there's all sorts of regulations to comply with and Haye will probably be thoroughly checked out as a result of this rumour(another reason not to leak it if that was the plan). If he has an injury and the plan is what? To make it a no contest? Risk losing and use that as an excuse? He would know he would get slaughtered for that reputation wise, whatever gain he'd make in the short term financially it would cost him far more long term.

Personally I think Haye would be best served not blasting him out in a couple of rounds and making the actual fight more of a spectacle for once, he can talk up his viewers all he wants but he knows damn well he has to start putting on some good fights, even the casuals will start tuning out soon.
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Sorry mate, I just totally disagree with you... I've been close enough to stuff like this over the years to know that a guy who has previously pulled out of fights due to injury, will have a clause in the contract..... Haye also has no control of over this, matchroom holds all the cards, hence Hearn putting the feelers on a contest, on paper, which should never happen.. An AJ v Haye fight is inevitable, it will also fill Wembley stadium twice over...
 
Metalartin said:
The flack Haye is getting now would have been obvious to see coming as I said... not at all what any of Haye's team wants going into the fight, the media and fans are already bringing up the Tyson fiasco and the Klitschko toe excuse he's not dumb nor are his team it's brought nothing but bad mojo, they don't need mind games is the strongest point to make because Haye truly believes he has the beating of him(as he should). The only other reason for it IMO would be to bump up viewing figures giving Bellew more of a chance with an injury rumour(probably doesn't have one at all) it might have been something the promotion teams agreed on when I think about it they both want a pay day, I can certainly see Haye taking a bit more stick than usual if it meant a bigger pay day.

We don't know the specifics of the contracts so it's a bit pointless to speculate but injuries rarely affect payouts unless it results in a no contest, the fight will not be allowed to go ahead in the first place if he's not fit to fight there's all sorts of regulations to comply with and Haye will probably be thoroughly checked out as a result of this rumour(another reason not to leak it if that was the plan). If he has an injury and the plan is what? To make it a no contest? Risk losing and use that as an excuse? He would know he would get slaughtered for that reputation wise, whatever gain he'd make in the short term financially it would cost him far more long term.

Personally I think Haye would be best served not blasting him out in a couple of rounds and making the actual fight more of a spectacle for once, he can talk up his viewers all he wants but he knows damn well he has to start putting on some good fights, even the casuals will start tuning out soon.
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In a nutshell....
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:


In a nutshell....
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Yeah I still don't agree though, that would imply Haye thinks he needs a mental edge, he doesn't need to do any of that because even though I'm sure there is some respect there Haye has fought much bigger punchers who are at least as good boxers as him(I don't even see Bellew beating Chisora), he knows he's going to knock him out.

The part where he said he may have been happy to let people believe it to mess with him because he genuinely doesn't like him is another matter(could well be he figured if they are already saying this then I'm going to use it) but to start a rumour which would lead to people calling him a ducker linking it back to the Fury fight and the excuses after the Klitscho fight I don't see it sorry. I still fancy a fighting fit Haye's chances against Fury personally, if a Steve Cunningham can knock Fury down the way he did then Haye could knock him out with the kind of power he has, you could argue that he was just sloppy not taking him as seriously as he would have to do with Haye but I'm not sure it was just that. The fact that Hearn seems so willing to risk putting Joshua in with Haye though has me wondering the extent of Haye's injury problems maybe he knows something we don't, Joshua has a bright future but he's still quite green Haye used to have the power, the speed and the movement to trouble any Heavyweight maybe that isn't true anymore.

That's not what Haye says though, the shoulder injury was the reason 3 of his fights in a row fell through(including the Tyson Fury fight), that's where the relationship with that sports doctor in Germany started. If he is truly over the injury now(as he says below) then the reason for the picture with said doctor calling him the best in the world takes a different light than the rumour which IMO all stemmed from people trying to connect the dots themselves based on that tweet(or Instagram whatever it was) without really knowing much from the inside:
 
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Macthroom and Eddie Hearn have fuck all time for the McGugians and all that bullshit it seems. Any of the McGugians fighters not on Matchroom books when there up against a Matchroom fighter the build up is the usual bollocks. Who remembers the build up to the Frampton v Quigg fight. Quigg holding the cheque a load of bollocks. The bullshit between Hearn and Quigg Hearns Banterjuice bullshit to Frampton and Gallagher and McGugian getting at each other too. I think for Hearn not being part of those fighters is killing him as he knows there big sellers be it Frampton , Haye and Groves to some extent he would kill to have all 3 on his books in my opinion thats were the hate is from on his part. So seeing it in the build up to Haye v Bellew doesnt surprise me. I like Haye as a fighter the best Cruiserweight the UK has ever produced for me. He was brilliant power and had it all. A 2 Weight world champion is something no one can take away. Its a shame he has had injuries. People saying he ran from Fury is shit having a shoulder injury how can you fight. I said it before will say it again Haye v AJ if it happens if AJ beat Klitschko would be huge and Haye can KO most fighters is the fight i want just think AJ will find Haye his hardest fight. My prediction for the weekend Haye win by stopage mid rounds as Bellew will try to beat the count look at both fighters records Haye is the more heavy handed and he will make it pay. Building up to a world title fight for him in the future be it against Wilder , Parker or AJ he will get that fight if he KOs Bellew in impressive fashion.
 
Even more convinced Bellew is going to win after the weigh in. No way can Haye last the amount of rounds weighing so much more. Different context but we've seen the extra legs a leaner Yaya Toure has this season compared to last.
 
Gundogan's Moustache said:
Even more convinced Bellew is going to win after the weigh in. No way can Haye last the amount of rounds weighing so much more. Different context but we've seen the extra legs a leaner Yaya Toure has this season compared to last.
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Yeah, completely different context.... it's about transferral of power, Bellew will be lucky to last 6 rounds, however, let's just say he does, he still doesn't have the tools to end it... it's a total mismatch, don't get caught up in the hype!
 
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