The Boxing thread

[BlueHammer85]

Then way ask the question?

For me it is irrefutable, no current heavyweight lives with the greats of the past.

They are all dogshit. Imagine Wilder, Fury or Whyte in the ring with Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, the Klitchkos - they'd annihilate the current heavies - and I include Joshua in that.

AJ knocked Klitschko out !

 

[Craig]

To beat an American champion in his backyard Fury had to do more particularly as he was knocked down twice.

The two knockdowns are worth four normal rounds alone meaning Wilder only had to win two other rounds to be level.

No it doesn't because if Fury won 8 out of the other 10,which he clearly did at worst that gives him a 2 point victory. You say he had to do more because it's in America but that's only because it's bent. He fought the perfect fight until not just getting on his toes and showboating his way through the 12th. If he tried doing more and engaging there's more chance he'd have got caught clean earlier on in the fight.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Exactly, how has the first 4 gone to Wilder. It's got to be fucking corrupt, I hate conspiracies but surely I'm not just being bias cause he's a Brit.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory. It's pretty well established that boxing is corrupt as fuck.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

No it doesn't because if Fury won 8 out of the other 10,which he clearly did at worst that gives him a 2 point victory. You say he had to do more because it's in America but that's only because it's bent. He fought the perfect fight until not just getting on his toes and showboating his way through the 12th. If he tried doing more and engaging there's more chance he'd have got caught clean earlier on in the fight.

I think people are overplaying the America thing. It could influence it in the same way that a home crowd can influence a referee in football, but I think ultimately, it's a product, and if they have the opportunity they'll make whatever decision will benefit the product (short term of course, because long term this sort of thing is toxic). This way they get a chance at a rematch, and they also get lots of headline-grabbing controversy. It's exactly the reason that Sepp Blatter opposed VAR for all those years, because the debate around controversial decisions is actually good for the business.

 

[bluemoon32]

Wilder can bang but he can't box, reminded me of a young Nigel Benn before he learned how to box.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I think people are overplaying the America thing. It could influence it in the same way that a home crowd can influence a referee in football, but I think ultimately, it's a product, and if they have the opportunity they'll make whatever decision will benefit the product (short term of course, because long term this sort of thing is toxic). This way they get a chance at a rematch, and they also get lots of headline-grabbing controversy. It's exactly the reason that Sepp Blatter opposed VAR for all those years, because the debate around controversial decisions is actually good for the business.

Does even that stand up though? What difference would it have made if Fury wins? Either way they'll be a re-match, probably at a stadium in the UK where they will both make millions. They both have at least 4/5 ppv fights left in them regardless of which way it went and you could even argue that Fury winning would have been a better overall story for 'boxing'. What it might have done is kill what's left of the American enthusiasm for the hw's but I think most will be looking for fight two. You could argue that the damage of those scorecards negates any of the other reasons to 'permit' a draw.

 

[Indaparkside]

Did anyone else think he didn’t beat the count. Sure it was more than 10 seconds

 

[doobyedoobye]

The draw adds even more heat and hostility to the rematch and the promoters can make even more cash...

 

[blueinsa]

The draw adds even more heat and hostility to the rematch and the promoters can make even more cash...

Now now.......anyone would think its all staged lol.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Don't know what the complaints are with the count, just watched it again and looked at the official clock - he was on his feet right at ten, the ref was possibly half a second out but there can't be any complaints about that, it's just daft. What I have noticed recently is that the refs seem to be giving them longer after the count to steady themselves, an extra 5 seconds or so. Don't know if this is on medical advice?

Also, Adonis Stevenson is in intensive care after his fight. Good luck to him, a true champion.

 

[Craig]

Did anyone else think he didn’t beat the count. Sure it was more than 10 seconds

It was close and from the exact time he hit the deck maybe it was just over 10. Watching live tho I thought the ref was slow to start his count but when I watched the replay he started on 3 so I thought fair enough. Serious clutching if the Yanks and Wilder start using that.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

AJ knocked Klitschko out !

I know that, mate. But in my opinion peak Klitschko wouldn't have lost to Joshua.

I think at 41 years of age it was a big ask to fight at the level he was once at.

However, it was a great fight between the two of them. I like the fact they are both very respectful and put on great show without all the pre-fight nonsense.

Hopefully Joshua/Wilder does happen and Joshua smashes him to pieces.

 

[oldius]

I know that, mate. But in my opinion peak Klitschko wouldn't have lost to Joshua.

I think at 41 years of age it was a big ask to fight at the level he was once at.

However, it was a great fight between the two of them. I like the fact they are both very respectful and put on great show without all the pre-fight nonsense.

Hopefully Joshua/Wilder does happen and Joshua smashes him to pieces.

People always forget that it may not have been a peak Klitschko, but it also was not a peak AJ; he has a few more years, and a few more fights, to reach that level.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Wilder is just a swinger. Swing so many and some will land but he’s not a good boxer.

It’s a shame that Fury let himself get to 28st and had a few years out and came into this fight rusty and fat. If he’d been at it for the last few years and properly fight fit it’d have been very interesting to see how he would have done.

I wonder if he’ll keep at it in the downtime now and get himself properly fit for a few more big fights.

I want to see in the next two years:
Fury v Wilder 2
Fury v Joshua
Wilder v Joshua

They are all at prime age now: DW33 TF30 AJ29

Get them all fighting each other while they’re at it (but get Fury properly fit!)

 

[doobyedoobye]

Fury must see he can dominate this division for the next few years if he stays fit and after this fight I can see why AJ (Hearn) doesn't fancy a Wembley showdown any time soon...

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Wilder is just a swinger. Swing so many and some will land but he’s not a good boxer.

It’s a shame that Fury let himself get to 28st and had a few years out and came into this fight rusty and fat. If he’d been at it for the last few years and properly fight fit it’d have been very interesting to see how he would have done.

I wonder if he’ll keep at it in the downtime now and get himself properly fit for a few more big fights.

I want to see in the next two years:
Fury v Wilder 2
Fury v AJ
Wilder v AJ

Didn't see the fight and not a fan of Fury but credit to him for putting in such a credible performance by all accounts. I agree with you about wilder. He's just a wild slugger with limited boxing skills. I think Joshua us better than both. Someone else who has improved markedly since losing to Joshua is Dillian Whyte. I think he would now give any of these three a run for their money imo.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

People always forget that it may not have been a peak Klitschko, but it also was not a peak AJ; he has a few more years, and a few more fights, to reach that level.

I hope you're right and Joshua goes on and cleans up the division. It's certainly there for him to do so.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Didn't see the fight and not a fan of Fury but credit to him for putting in such a credible performance by all accounts. I agree with you about wilder. He's just a wild slugger with limited boxing skills. I think Joshua us better than both. Someone else who has improved markedly since losing to Joshua is Dillian Whyte. I think he would now give any of these three a run for their money imo.

It was loads of good movement, awkward style, good jabbing tactics and better combinations from Fury; while Wilder just followed Fury around the ring swinging his arms around. He connected with three or four big ones, two knocked Fury down, but I’m convinced if Fury was seriously fight fit and not carrying all that fat around the ring with him (his whole back was moving all fight because it was loose and that has an effect on you as it’s like carrying around a bag on your back whilst fighting) he’d have been lighter and sharper of mind too and I’m not sure Wilder would have hit him once. For 95% of the fight Fury saw Wilder’s punches coming from a mile away so ducked, weaved and backed off at the right moments.

I’ll be honest, about five years ago I thought Fury was a joke but now I think he’s the best pure boxer in the heavyweight division despite being weird in his movement at times.

Just got to get himself properly fight fit and get someone to sort his gloves out properly as they were floppy last night like he had on some thirty year old gloves from the bottom drawer of the old cabinet in the dark corner of the gym!

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It was loads of good movement, awkward style, good jabbing tactics and better combinations from Fury; while Wilder just followed Fury around the ring swinging his arms around. He connected with three or four big ones, two knocked Fury down, but I’m convinced if Fury was seriously fight fit and not carrying all that fat around the ring with him (his whole back was moving all fight because it was loose and that has an effect on you as it’s like carrying around a bag on your back whilst fighting) he’d have been lighter and sharper of mind too and I’m not sure Wilder would have hit him once. For 95% of the fight Fury saw Wilder’s punches coming from a mile away so ducked, weaved and backed off at the right moments.

I’ll be honest, about five years ago I thought Fury was a joke but now I think he’s the best pure boxer in the heavyweight division despite being weird in his movement at times.

Just got to get himself properly fight fit and get someone to sort his gloves out properly as they were floppy last night like he had on some thirty year old gloves from the bottom drawer of the old cabinet in the dark corner of the gym!

Fury has always been a bit overweight. But fair plays to him, he's a canny operator in the ring these days. Klitchko obviously wasn't a one off. From what I have seen of wilder he has limited boxing skills. And you are right he telegraphs his big punches. What do you think of Whyte?

 

[BlueHammer85]

People always forget that it may not have been a peak Klitschko, but it also was not a peak AJ; he has a few more years, and a few more fights, to reach that level.

Thing is , in 20 years time people will look back and talk about the greats of Wilder, Mayweather, Joshua etc and say what a golden era it was and that none of the current crop would have a chance against those.