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Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Surely everyone organising the fight would have known that this decision was going to become an issue - just seems to be gamesmanship (again)...........
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Neither of them actually want the fight it seems, they know that's the final payday. If the fight isn't a good, evenly matched one, there's nowhere left to go and all interest in the division dies. Better to avoid each other, get paid to fight the other bums while keeping the debate as to who is the best heavyweight open.
 
Hearn has every right to be pissed off if this does block the undisputed fight, hopefully Wilder's just looking for some step-aside money. Which Arum and Warren can deal with on their own and it will serve them right.

Anyone thinking matchroom or AJ didn't want the fight is ignoring the amount of work Eddie has put into getting the site deal agreed, for weeks on end. All the while Arum and Warren were suspiciously sat on the sidelines poo-pooing everything Hearn was doing for weeks, saying it couldn't be done, even telling him to hurry up or they are walking. It was Arum that assured everyone in boxing that arbitration had failed for Wilder, Warren confirmed it too. If they lied about that, what a couple of corrupt old gits they are. Watch the fanboys let them get away with it, if that was Hearn lying his ass off though... That's why it's Fury's side who should pay any step-aside money and no-one else.

It was also Fury stalling on signing the contract, asking for proof of funds, while AJ had already signed and was telling him to get on with it.

It's all starting to make sense now.
 
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Does anyone think Wilder actually wants the 3rd fight? I'm not so sure, he was already looking at other opponents and it wont be the first time he's positioned himself in the way of an undisputed bout to ask for some step-aside money. When Wlad wanted to fight Stiverne he asked for $10m, as an unproven fighter, who'd never earned anywhere $1m in any fight at the time. Needless to say, Wlad didn't pay the money and waited to challenge him after he picked up the WBC belt, where Wilder proceeded to avoid him like the plague afterwards. Shelley Finkle said he's "a baby" and "a prospect" 7 years as a professional boxer at the time and a newly crowned champion and he still avoided him years after that. Same way he avoided AJ and any other live challenger, with the help of the WBC(Whyte etc). Until he picked Fury, who was a cherry pick gone wrong, to add credibility to his resume with a big name, that he thought was washed up.

If the 3rd fight goes ahead, that probably means AJ will have to fight one of his mandataries unfortunately. He has a lot of belt organisations to satisfy and most of them take the mandataries more seriously than the WBC do(which make no sense at times). That would probably mean there's no chance of the undisputed this year, whatever happens. I just hope Fury doesn't catch a punch from the gods because Wilder will hoard that belt even more than he did before and the WBC will let him. It would be bad for boxing.

I don't even want to see the 3rd Fury vs Wilder fight personally and neither does the majority of boxing fans by the looks of it. I don't see Wilder doing anything different. I'm so done with Wilder's bullshit and Arum's-Warren's for that matter.
 
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Wilder has asked for $20m and Fury said he wont pay that, so it looks like the 3rd Wilder fight is on. I doubt Fury will pay him even if he halves his asking price is the problem. Fury's side haven't attempted to make a step a-side offer as far as anyone knows. I'm not even sure I believe anything team Fury are saying anymore.

Now I'm hearing that Arum said he wont pay anything, while Warren was saying they are hoping a step-aside deal could be made(inconsistency). Worst still, Arum has already booked a venue for July, a suspiciously fast turn around(days) for something that normally takes weeks to secure. Lets not forget he was telling everyone that the arbitration was done with, contract had expired, no chance Wilder gets his own way etc. So that makes the "contingency" excuse doubtful too.

On top of that, someone from ESPN let slip that Fury was fighting on PPV in July. He said it 2 days before the arbitration decision was given, while at that time the Saudi fight with AJ was well publicised to be in August. It's looking like Fury's side knew all along and they've strung not just Hearn and AJ's side along but the whole of boxing too.

I saw a related video where someone made a good argument, that if the contract had expired and they didn't ever plan on making that fight as Bob was telling everyone, the correct course of action would be straight to court. Not mediation which is getting both sides to agree on something out of court. I doubt even more that they would sign a contract, that stated if they can't come to an agreement in mediation, then it must go to a legally binding arbitration decision. Leaving the decision up to one person, rather than a real court. The fact that they even entered mediation, means they were willing to listen to what Wilder wanted from the start and yet they are not willing to offer any step-aside deal? How does that make sense, do they want us to believe they entered mediation because they expected Wilder to agree to walk away empty handed? By the same measure, if Wilder really knew he had a case and was hearing from Fury's side that they would not agree to pay up or fight, then he'd have gone to court straight away too. Why waste time on mediation? Fury's side could still challenge this in court if they really don't want to fight or pay anything, I suppose if that's the plan then mediation makes sense. At worst the court agrees with the decision and he'll probably have a choice to fight or pay a step-aside amount(which could be less than Wilder wants). Team Fury have given no indication of that though which says it all. Both sides were in on this IMO.

In hindsight it's also looking suspiciously like Fury's side were desperate for the Saudi offer not to come through. That's why they kept starting fires for Hearn to put out, while he was still negotiating with the Saudis, which most people found weird. I suspect this was all so that they could claim AJ never wanted the fight and then make out Wilder was the only one who wanted it. So Arum could then could put on the 3rd Wilder fight that the majority of boxing fans didn't think was necessary and blame AJ and Hearn for it. Who knows how the Saudis will take this going forward, they could have burned they bridges for any future fight. Is it some diva move because Hearn has a working relationship with them and they wont deal with Arum or Warren or do they just really not want the AJ fight?

All I'm hoping, is that the reason Fury himself didn't opt to go to court to get rid of Wilder, is that it will have meant an 18month break since Fury was last in the ring. Which most of us would have understood, if he was honest about it because he would normally have a tune up after a break that long. Wilder will be in the same boat as Fury and he's already beaten him twice in his mind, so that's a different story. It's the bullshit and leading people on that people will rightly call him out for.
 
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Josh Taylor is on the verge of absolute greatness yet no one is arsed and it's not on UK tv at the moment?

I've said before on here there are two Brits I wouldn't mind getting pasted and that's BJS and Taylor. There is something about Taylor that is really annoying and I wonder if the UK media and promoters feel the same? It's actually mad what he could achieve at the weekend and he'd undoubtedly sell out a stadium in Glasgow, so why the apathy towards him?
 
jay_mcfc said:
Josh Taylor is on the verge of absolute greatness yet no one is arsed and it's not on UK tv at the moment?

I've said before on here there are two Brits I wouldn't mind getting pasted and that's BJS and Taylor. There is something about Taylor that is really annoying and I wonder if the UK media and promoters feel the same? It's actually mad what he could achieve at the weekend and he'd undoubtedly sell out a stadium in Glasgow, so why the apathy towards him?
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I think FiteTV picked it up mate
 
Hopefully Taylor can clear out the division and step up to welterweight. Some really big potential fights in that division.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Josh Taylor is on the verge of absolute greatness yet no one is arsed and it's not on UK tv at the moment?

I've said before on here there are two Brits I wouldn't mind getting pasted and that's BJS and Taylor. There is something about Taylor that is really annoying and I wonder if the UK media and promoters feel the same? It's actually mad what he could achieve at the weekend and he'd undoubtedly sell out a stadium in Glasgow, so why the apathy towards him?
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I was thinking the same myself, he's been winning big fights for a long time now. Unified champ and super 6 winner after just 16 fights, chance to become undisputed in his next fight(18th) etc.

I doubt it's just because he's not English either, Calzaghe got plenty of media time. Did Josh just not spend enough time building a following outside of Scotland?
 
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Metalartin said:
I was thinking the same myself, he's been winning big fights for a long time now. Unified champ and super 6 winner after just 16 fights, chance to become undisputed in his next fight(18th) etc.

I doubt it's just because he's not English either, Calzaghe got plenty of media time. Did Josh just not spend enough time building a following outside of Scotland?
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I honestly think there’s something about him that rubs people up the wrong way. You’d think Hearn would be all over him and selling out stadiums up there. Maybe it’s bad timing with the Sky / Matchroom deal coming to an end? I heard Davidson on the 5Live podcast say Taylor has matured a lot in the time together so maybe he’s been difficult to work with.
It’s insane what he’s trying to do this weekend. Only four other fighters have been undisputed in any division since 1986. This is only the 7th undisputed fight in that time.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Yeah, he's a complete knobhead I'm sure of it.

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I can't even work out what the guy was supposed to have done to piss him off. Sounded to me like the guy was talking to the guy doing the coin-toss: "Wait-wait-wait just let him get up there". So he can get the shot of it.

Why would he want Taylor to wait?
 
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jay_mcfc said:
Dunno. But he definitely has a snarky, bullyness to him. I’ve seen on YouTube now Ramirez is essentially calling him a bell end too. I hope he gets smashed.
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I've worked it out now in my edit. He thought the camera guy had got "above himself" by asking(yelling at) him to wait but he was telling the announcer to wait on the coin-toss, so he can get a shot with them all up there for it. Wasn't even talking to Taylor.

Yeah that was completely unnecessary and he wouldn't let him explain.

I dunno, I've not got any strong feelings either way towards Taylor, needs to chill out a bit though.
 
It's looking more like the undisputed fight will never happen now. I've done a long post on the previous page discussing the ins and outs of Fury's side's deception. Here comes another one because it's more annoying the more I think about it.

What interests me is why Arum and Warren have been so deceptive. Look at the network scene and what heavyweights they have signed with each and what do you see? Add the fact that Whyte is STILL waiting for his WBC title shot and think about who he's signed with. It's more than possible that although they might fancy Fury's chances, letting AJ fight for that belt is not a risk any of them were ever prepared to take. Arum doesn't like to gamble and neither does Warren, the PBC are even worse. The gamble is the risk of DAZN having all the heavyweight belts, that would mean all the top fighters would have to go and deal with Eddie if AJ became undisputed or Whyte beat Wilder when that fight was supposed to happen. Long term, that would be bad for all of them and DAZN would become an even bigger threat to them. They also share a bitterness towards Eddie, so playing him wasn't something they had to think hard about.

On the fighter's side, some believe that the fight itself will be scripted WWE style, cement their legacies by only fighting each other and claiming AJ "doesn't want this smoke". Fury has had his comeback story and undertaker moment. Next Wilder comes back "from the ashes" and outboxes Fury which "shocks the world" by winning in a fashion nobody expected. After over 10 years of neglecting his fundamentals and not taking training seriously. He's posting Rocky montages of chopping wood and lifting logs. If that does come to pass, then it would be hard to argue that it doesn't sound like a movie/WWE script. I'm not convinced that Fury would ever give his 0 up willingly myself though, but I wouldn't rule out him retiring on another draw after his next fight. What I hope, is Fury wins comfortably again and Wilder is out of the picture. Then Fury does enter the negotiations for the undisputed with AJ again. AJ has to fight Usyk at the very least now though which is no small task.

Fury had to be in on this too IMO because there's no signs of him wanting to challenge the arbitration decision, which could be done and you'd think he would if he really wanted to fight AJ and have the biggest fight in boxing after saying he'd never fight Wilder ever again publicly. Especially if the contract had expired. The extension could be disputed but some say Bob was lying that it ever expired, so maybe there is no extension. The accusations Wilder made after the 2nd fight, could be dragged up in court and go a long way to justifying Fury's decision not to want to fight him and to keep his belt in the process. They can't force the 3rd fight even without that but it was always likely that Fury would have to pay something in compensation. So as I said before, why did Arum and Fury enter mediation-arbitration in the first place and then make the excuse that they don't want to pay a dime? Their actions don't make sense which points to a scheme. Nobody knows the terms of the rematch clause, whether the WBC title is part of it and the order in which Fury has to face him etc However there is also a claim for a huge loss of earnings that would blow away Wilder's own claim($20m?) due to the arbitration decision. The fact that there was no resistance to this decision, that Fury was on board with it within hours talking about it on twitter, is suspicious. "It's legally binding" they are telling us... Okay then nothing you can do huh? Not go to the courts(yes it can be challenged) as you would have done in the first place instead of mediation-arbitration if you didn't want to pay anything? Likewise Wilder would have gone straight to court too if he wanted the fight and they showed no signs of coming to an agreement(they didn't publicly). Like Lennox Lewis did, straight away, when Hasim Rahman didn't want to honour their rematch clause and won.

They are all in on this one way or another, while Hearn, AJ and the boxing fans were taken for a ride.
 
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Metalartin said:
It's looking more like the undisputed fight will never happen now. I've done a long post on the previous page discussing the ins and outs of Fury's side's deception. Here comes another one because it's more annoying the more I think about it.

What interests me is why Arum and Warren have been so deceptive. Look at the network scene and what heavyweights they have signed with each and what do you see? Add the fact that Whyte is STILL waiting for his WBC title shot and think about who he's signed with. It's more than possible that although they might fancy Fury's chances, letting AJ fight for that belt is not a risk any of them were ever prepared to take. Arum doesn't like to gamble and neither does Warren(the PBC are even worse). The gamble is DAZN having all the heavyweight belts would mean all the top fighters would have to go and deal with Eddie if AJ became undisputed or Whyte beat Wilder when that fight was supposed to happen. Long term that would be bad for all of them and DAZN would become an even bigger threat to them. They also share a bitterness towards Eddie so playing him wasn't something they had to think hard about.

On the fighter's side, some believe that the fight itself will be scripted WWE style, cement their legacies by only fighting each other and claiming AJ "doesn't want this smoke". Fury has had his comeback story and undertaker moment. Next Wilder comes back "from the ashe"s and outboxes Fury which "shocks the world". After over 10 years of neglecting his fundimental's and not taking training seriously. He's posting Rocky montages of chopping wood and lifting logs. If that does come to pass, then it would be hard to argue that it doesn't sound like a movie/WWE script. I'm not convinced that Fury would ever give his 0 up, but I wouldn't rule out him retiring on another draw after his next fight. What I hope is Fury wins comfortably and Wilder is out of the picture and Fury does enter the negotiations for the undisputed with AJ again. AJ has to fight Usyk at the very least now though which is no small task.

Fury had to be in on this too IMO because there's no signs of him wanting to challenge the arbitration decision, which could be done, escpecially if the contract had expired. The extension could be disputed but some say Bob was lying that it ever expired. The accusations Wilder made after the 2nd fight which could be dragged up in court and go a long way to justifying Fury's decision not to want to fight him and to keep his belt. They can't force the 3rd fight even without that but it was always likely that Fury would have to pay something in compensation. So as I said before, why did Arum and Fury enter mediation-arbitration in the first place and then make the excuse that they don't want to pay a dime? Nobody knows the terms of the rematch clause, whether the WBC title is part of it and the order in which Fury has to face him etc There is also a claim for a huge loss of earnings that would blow away Wilder's claim. The fact that there was no resistance to this decision, Fury on board with it within hours, "it's legally binding" they are telling us. Okay then nothing you can do huh?... Not go to the courts as you would have done in the first place instead of mediation if you didn't want to pay anything. Likewise Wilder would have gone straight to court too, like Lennox Lewis did straight away when Hasim Raqman didn't want to fight and won. They are all in on this one way or another.
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They're all fucking snakes man. They left it all up to Hearn for months with this lot doing nothing but throw scorn on it and then right at the point it's about to be signed this happens. They're literally walking contradictions, Funny how they've more or less agreed the price, date and venue for this Wilder fight in a few days. Fury is a bell end himself, he is so full of shit but people lap it up.

I think the old guard have been after Hearn since he made that monumental fuck up of bragging about the million dollar DAZN deal. Wouldn't surprise at all if this was all premeditated to stick one on Eddie and piss off the Saudis.

If I was Hearn and AJ I just forget about the Fury fight now. They don't owe him anything and there's nothing to suggest that even if a fight was agreed Fury would turn up. AJ already has too little fights and he's just wasted another 6 months.
 
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They're all fucking snakes man. They left it all up to Hearn for months with this lot doing nothing but throw scorn on it and then right at the point it's about to be signed this happens. They're literally walking contradictions, Funny how they've more or less agreed the price, date and venue for this Wilder fight in a few days. Fury is a bell end himself, he is so full of shit but people lap it up.

I think the old guard have been after Hearn since he made that monumental fuck up of bragging about the million dollar DAZN deal. Wouldn't surprise at all if this was all premeditated to stick one on Eddie and piss off the Saudis.

If I was Hearn and AJ I just forget about the Fury fight now. They don't owe him anything and there's nothing to suggest that even if a fight was agreed Fury would turn up. AJ already has too little fights and he's just wasted another 6 months.
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Yep, some boxing fans are eerily quiet on this due to their allegiances, when everyone should be on their backs, so they don't ever try and pull shit like this again.

Fury is a walking contradiction at the best of times but he's all over the place here and AJ has torn him to shreds in their recent back and forths. The only thing he didn't pull him up on which would have left him even more red faced is Fury said he'll put up $20m for a bare knuckle fight with AJ over twitter in response to AJ. Yet he wont even make a single step-aside offer or hire lawyers to go to court and get rid of a 3rd fight(didn't he say that he would rather do that than pay Wilder?) after he said publicly that he will never fight Wilder ever again after the way he acted after the 2nd fight. Then there's the constant(he's done it before) flip-flop between not caring about money and using money as an excuse not to do something: "It's not about the money for me, I'll batter AJ for free" but "Where's the proof of funds" just lying and stalling throughout.

I'm more fed up with the networks and promoters/management companies always getting in the way of big fights because that extends beyond the HW division. It would be so much simpler for the fights to get made if DAZN does bury the competition(the PBC first please). The only problem then is they'd jack the prices up once they have a monopoly.
 
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