The Boxing thread

Churchlawtonblue said:
That's how it is scored usually. Throw in a few marks for defence and ring work ie holding the centre. But generally it's landing more of the better punches.
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I thought Usyk did a reasonable job cutting off the ring and landed abetter percentage of his punches whilst look efficient and not getting caught with anything Fury had with his back of the head work and slappy generally sloppy work. I had Usyk by two especially after Fury gave rounds seven and eight a miss for a breather
 
SWPISHOME said:
Agreed.

Parker had improved dramatically since appointing Andy Lee as trainer, Think they are together 3 or 4 years now and it's been good for Parker other than the defeat to Joe Joyce.

His performances against Wilder and especially Zhang have been extremely good.

I think he'll beat Dubois on points.
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I'm really surprised they have put the newly crowned Dubois in with him - too awkw an opponent witho the accolades for beating him.

To be fair to Parker, he's not great in any one particular department and I think he recognises that which is why he seems to take it all in from Lee.

They are a great pairing and Parker is infinitely better than the fighter that got beat by Joshua however many years ago.

I'm real looking forw to it with the tremendous undercard...........
 
Paul1970 said:
Can now see a Joshua fury fight next year and then both walk away into the sunset .
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I can see this happening too. It's a pity it's now when they are both on the decline, It would have made for a thrilling contest years ago.

Having said that, It would be worth watching just for the build up alone, Fury would have the fight won in the build up to the fight, It would be an absolute circus.

AJ gets wound up so easily by opponents, Imagine what Fury would do to get under his skin.

Nice pay day for them both all the same, A sell out at Wembley and as you said both head off into the sunset.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
So many had this boring theory, frustrating thing is - If Fury had won deservedly you’ll be saying how right you was and it was all a fix
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Boxing only has itself to blame for people thinking like that though because of how rife it has been with dodgy decisions ever since i can remember.

Glad that Usyk got the decision. I struggled to score it round by round because I kept doubting myself, thinking subconsciously that the close rounds would go to Fury. Gave up in the end and just had a general perception at the end that maybe Usyk just nicked it. Wasn't sure about 116-112 mind. Glad it's now 2-0 and we don't have to see it again because I didn't think it was the greatest fight to watch. Intriguing but never really caught any kind of fire. Both of them too good defensively to allow any major damage to be taken.

Dubois is a tit. Frank Warren blowing smoke up his arse about 'knocking usyk down' when he got his arse handed to him for every other second of the fight and then stopped with a jab. Usyk is not Joshua. Dubois won't be able to steamroller him. He'll get taught a lesson again if a second fight occurs. Only thing i wonder is can usyk really be arsed rematching another British guy that he's beat handily once before.

Fury AJ now? It would still be fun. I'd be in for it.
 
Damocles said:
I was struggling to be enthused with this even when both were at their peak. I have little respect for AJ and think Fury would walk through him
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I think both are diminished and probably at a similar level now. If Fury was to turn up in the state he did last night then AJ has every chance to chin him.
 
MMA said:
Lennox would beat both of these in the same night.
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Paul1970 said:
Are you sure about that ? Usyk doesn’t give anyone an easy fight.
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Lewis would definitely beat both at his best but you're right he doesn't give most if any an easy fight but this version of Lennox Lewis, in the fight totals below absolutely batters both of them, with no question about it whatsoever on that night he's miles ahead of both...

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Lennox Lewis in that first fight against Holyfield nearly landed more in just power punches alone, than either Usyk or Fury landed in total during both these fights...

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He was far more well conditioned than both of these guys in a much stronger era to suggest otherwise would be a joke, he hit with more accuracy and power than anybody Usyk has fought and had faster hands than Fury.
Fury despite losing both fights very fairly caught Usyk with a few clean uppercuts in that first fight, those uppercuts are meat and drink to Lewis he'd have dominated the centre of that ring, he'd also pulverised Usyk with those shots even if he had the toughness to pull through.

He's got a great entertaining style Usyk and it's a throwback to more well rounded heavyweight fighters of the past, despite really liking him though he's nowhere near the greatest heavyweights who've ever lived.

Usyk definitely struggled with energy against Daniel Dubois after he went to the body before Dubois then took that knee, this is despite Dubois himself before that fight having question marks over his own conditioning.
Chisora on Usyk's debut at heavy gave him problems to the body and drained him a fair bit even if it was one sided, he's great to watch but the thing is Usyk just stands out amongst a load of slow plodders nowadays.
Against serious pressure fighters of the past like Joe Frazier or Rocky Marciano tough guys who didn't care about taking a few digs to hurt their opponent, guys who cut the ring off expertly and don't stop punching to the body, in my view Usyk wouldn't do well and certainly appear more tired and unable to move as well.

It's bizarre to say this after seeing his torso but Fury is comfortably the most well conditioned fighter (stamina), that Usyk has fought at Heavyweight that's how much the division has tanked.

There's no question that he's a great boxer technically and aesthetically pleasing to watch Usyk, but Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes would dominate him with their jabs alone they were both better conditioned too, Ali is better at absolutely everything but despite saying what I've said Usyk is still a great fighter, I'd rank him as probably holding his own in most eras but he's not as great as many people would have you believe though.
 
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Kinkladze's crazy skills said:
Lewis would definitely beat both at his best but you're right in he doesn't give most if any an easy fight but this version of Lennox Lewis, in the fight totals below absolutely batters both of them, with no question about it whatsoever on that night he's miles ahead of both...

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Lennox Lewis in that first fight against Holyfield nearly landed more in just power punches alone, than either Usyk or Fury landed in total during both these fights...

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He was far more well conditioned than both of these guys in a much stronger era to suggest otherwise would be a joke, he hit with more accuracy and power than anybody Usyk has fought and had faster hands than Fury.
Fury despite losing both fights very fairly caught Usyk with a few clean uppercuts in that first fight, those uppercuts are meat and drink to Lewis he'd have dominated the centre of that ring, he'd also pulverised Usyk with those shots even if he had the toughness to pull through.

He's got a great entertaining style Usyk and it's a throwback to more well rounded heavyweight fighters of the past, despite really liking him though he's nowhere near the greatest heavyweights who've ever lived.

Usyk definitely struggled with energy against Daniel Dubois after he went to the body before Dubois then took that knee, this is despite Dubois himself before that fight having question marks over his own conditioning.
Chisora on Usyk's debut at heavy gave him problems to the body and drained him a fair bit even if it was one sided, he's great to watch but the thing is Usyk just stands out amongst a load of slow plodders nowadays.
Against serious pressure fighters of the past like Joe Frazier or Rocky Marciano tough guys who didn't care about taking a few digs to hurt their opponent, guys who cut the ring off expertly and don't stop punching to the body, in my view Usyk wouldn't do well and certainly appear more tired and unable to move as well.

It's bizarre to say this after seeing his torso but Fury is comfortably the most well conditioned fighter (stamina), that Usyk has fought at Heavyweight that's how much the division has tanked.

There's no question that he's a great boxer technically and aesthetically pleasing to watch Usyk, but Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes would dominate him with their jabs alone they were both better conditioned too, Ali is better at absolutely everything but despite saying what I've said Usyk is still a great fighter, I'd rank him as probably holding his own in most eras but he's not as great as many people would have you believe though.
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Joe Bugner MKII has never impressed me and as for Usyk another pumped up cruiserweight namely Hollyfield would have taken him to the cleaners.

That being said I know fuck all just making noise here.
 
Paul1970 said:
Are you sure about that ? Usyk doesn’t give anyone an easy fight and certainly wouldn’t get done by Rahknan . Don’t forget vitali kl was schooling Lennox before he got stopped on a cut . Lewis is a great but he’d struggle against Usyk .
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The problem with when Lewis fought Rahman is that for the first fight he turned up about 5 days before this happened, it was at high altitude and he stupidly didn't acclimatise as he should've done he didn't prepare and paid the price.

Was it on the BBC? They went to George Foreman before it and he said Lewis had no chance, due to turning up so late to camp but that he'd also easily win any rematch.

He said something along the lines of the humidity would zap Lewis and he'd gas quickly, the other pundits when they returned to the studio laughed at Foreman prediction.
They didn't laugh for long as Lewis was gassed after just a few rounds heavy breathing, leaving his jaw exposed and Rahman took his chance but bar that one fight he was always in excellent condition.

As for the Vitali Klitschko fight I was very disappointed there was no rematch and had Vitali winning myself before his cut, it was entertaining but he was past it though by this point so even if he'd lost to Vitali, I'd still pick a peak Lennox Lewis to beat Usyk and any of the other heavyweights nowadays.
 
citytill1die84 said:
Would he fuck. Lewis lost to Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman ffs was also very lucky to beat Klitschko.
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You say that as if Oliver McCall was shite but if he was around in the past decade, then he'd probably have had a great chance of being a long-term champ.

He was a tough bastard nobody ever knocked him out, remember he had that mental breakdown in the rematch which forced the stoppage, he was clearly in no memtal state to fight in the first place which was a real shame on boxing.

He was no mug and Mike Tyson's long-term sparring partner he hit very hard, in the heavyweight division that's all it takes if they can land that one sweet shot and he took his chance against Lewis.

Lennox Lewis avenged the losses he had in his career and fought in a far tougher era.
 
Kinkladze's crazy skills said:
You say that as if Oliver McCall was shite but if he was around in the past decade, then he'd probably have had a great chance of being a long-term champ.

He was a tough bastard nobody ever knocked him out, remember he had that mental breakdown in the rematch which forced the stoppage, he was clearly in no memtal state to fight in the first place which was a real shame on boxing.

He was no mug and Mike Tyson's long-term sparring partner he hit very hard, in the heavyweight division that's all it takes if they can land that one sweet shot and he took his chance against Lewis.

Lennox Lewis avenged the losses he had in his career and fought in a far tougher era.
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He'd lost 5 times already before he beat Lewis. Never said he wasn't tough but Usyk wouldn't need to knock him out to win he'd just box the absolute fuck out of him.

Usyk is unbeaten in multiple weight divisions beating the best along the way. Deserves more respect than Lewis would beat him and Tyson same night lol
 
Apart from the obvious fight with Joshua, I can’t really see many options going forward for Fury. If that fight goes ahead, and Joshua beats him (which I think he would, it would have to be the end of the road for Fury, shirley? He's 36 now (not quite Mike Tyson territory, but that was ludicrous), time for the Sanatogen multi-vitamins and the Werther's Originals.
 
jimharri said:
Apart from the obvious fight with Joshua, I can’t really see many options going forward for Fury. If that fight goes ahead, and Joshua beats him (which I think he would, it would have to be the end of the road for Fury, shirley? He's 36 now (not quite Mike Tyson territory, but that was ludicrous), time for the Sanatogen multi-vitamins and the Werther's Originals.
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Agreed.

Joshua or retire I think.
 
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