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[leighton]

Before the first fight, Leighton predicted Munroe would knock Quigg out. So it's a bit churlish now to say Rendall was past it only a few months later. Was Munroe bad, or was he made to look bad?
For what it's worth, I think Quigg v Frampton is a 50-50 fight, I certainly wouldn't like to put my wages on the outcome, but come on Leighton — your lack of credit for Quigg simply because he is a rival of Frampton is reminiscent of your blind support for Given over Joe Hart. And that now looks a bit silly, with the benefit of hindsight and Shay's sorry decline after the injury at Arsenal, which he never recovered from.
Just because you prefer one man, it doesn't mean his rival is useless. I still maintain Hagler beat Sugar Ray and was robbed for political reasons, but that doesn't mean Leonard didn't also box brilliantly that night.
Nobody knows what will happen but I would love the fight to happen. Along with Fury v Price, it is probably the best potential match up over here.

yep agree its one of the better domestic fights right now, 50-50 like you say, not sure any of them will make it at the top top leevl though and i think framptons power is over rated

To go all Rafa Benitnez the Fact is Quigg has been offered the Frampton fight time and time and time again. Quiggs team dont want anything to do with the fight. I have seen a lot of Quigg so far he is good but I dont think he is as good as Frampton is. Compare there records Frampton has done well against the fighters he has been in with. Frampton is the man who is being avoided. Kiko wouldnt fight him either its not only Quigg that doesnt want the fight. Its a shame that Hatton hasnt got the Sky deal as the fight would of been made next. Quigg will be put in with some bum and then he will have to fight for the full title against the winner of Guillermo Rigondeaux v Poonsawat Kratingdanenggym and sadly for Quigg after seeing both fighters fighting live he will be found out. Rigondeaux is a classy boxer and great movement while Poonsawat is a monster with some power he smashed Bernard Dunne when they boxed in Dublin he gave him some beating that night. Huge at the weight. So for Quigg and Hatton they would want to hope that either one of those fighters move up as Quigg will find it hard to beat either.
No matter what a fight between the 2 would be a good watch but I remain behind the Jackal just for me he has too much about him he can box off the backfoot as well as going forward and he has a good set up in training with Gerry Storey involved with him along with McGugian he has a great team behind him. Some of the sparring Frampton has in Storeys gym is something else with Paddy Barnes double bronze medal Olympian the sparring between them is a joy to watch. Also he is getting great sparring from elsewhere.

Sure when the fight happens it will be good while it lasts.

 

[LongsightM13]

Their records really aren't that different. Plenty of trial horses in the early days before stepping up in class over the last year or so.
And if you think Rendall was past it, leighton, then what about Molitor?
If anything, I would say Quigg's last three opponents — Arthur, Booth and Munroe — are way above anyone Frampton has faced.

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It's all about opinions but you seem to think it would be a walkover for the Jackal and that wouldn't be the case at all. It would be a tough, close fight and would be toss of a coin who wins.

As an aside, I also take Fury to beat Price handily if they ever get it on. For me, the Scouser is the most laughably overrated fighter in Europe

 

[SuperKevinHorlock]

Their records really aren't that different. Plenty of trial horses in the early days before stepping up in class over the last year or so.
And if you think Rendall was past it, leighton, then what about Molitor?
If anything, I would say Quigg's last three opponents — Arthur, Booth and Munroe — are way above anyone Frampton has faced.

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It's all about opinions but you seem to think it would be a walkover for the Jackal and that wouldn't be the case at all. It would be a tough, close fight and would be toss of a coin who wins.

As an aside, I also take Fury to beat Price handily if they ever get it on. For me, the Scouser is the most laughably overrated fighter in Europe

Spot on mate I agree 100% with your post.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Their records really aren't that different. Plenty of trial horses in the early days before stepping up in class over the last year or so.
And if you think Rendall was past it, leighton, then what about Molitor?
If anything, I would say Quigg's last three opponents — Arthur, Booth and Munroe — are way above anyone Frampton has faced.

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It's all about opinions but you seem to think it would be a walkover for the Jackal and that wouldn't be the case at all. It would be a tough, close fight and would be toss of a coin who wins.

As an aside, I also take Fury to beat Price handily if they ever get it on. For me, the Scouser is the most laughably overrated fighter in Europe

Spot on mate I agree 100% with your post.

Me too, apart from the bold :-)

 

[tweetstreet]

Frampton beats Quigg, frampton will win a world title and prob be around the level for a few years.

Quigg might win one but it'll be one and that's it. Quigg is going to be a sort of Moore, Macklin, Barker level. A nearly man but still a talent.

And price Beats fury all day long, price is by far the more skilled, powerful, harder hitting, better controlled fighter. Fury is an accident waiting to happen.

 

[leighton]

Their records really aren't that different. Plenty of trial horses in the early days before stepping up in class over the last year or so.
And if you think Rendall was past it, leighton, then what about Molitor?
If anything, I would say Quigg's last three opponents — Arthur, Booth and Munroe — are way above anyone Frampton has faced.

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It's all about opinions but you seem to think it would be a walkover for the Jackal and that wouldn't be the case at all. It would be a tough, close fight and would be toss of a coin who wins.

As an aside, I also take Fury to beat Price handily if they ever get it on. For me, the Scouser is the most laughably overrated fighter in Europe

Spot on mate I agree 100% with your post.

Me too, apart from the bold :-)

What can Frampton do when he is being avoided by fighters???? He needs to stay busy so he had more keep busy fights Hirales was durable and Frampton needed the rounds as he was koing people when he wanted he needed to get a good durable fighter and that was Hirales. I hate to say this about Jason Booth but he wasnt the same after he got beaten by Molitor in the world title fight. Won his comeback and since then has been beaten by Kiko by KO and then Booth he was finished which is sad to say it.
As for Jamie Arthur 1 fight a year says it all it was a gimmie for Quigg but Quigg was floored by Arthur during the fight question marks or not but Arthur isnt a big puncher. Granted Munroe but I havnt seen or heard as bad a report on a Munroe fight in a long long time. Molitor was a good fight for Frampton to get after Kiko pulled out and it was a good win going off both records Frampton has the biggest win out of the 2 beating a former World Champion.

As for Fury v Price it would be a good fight a real 50 / 50 for me. Whoever has the best chin will win it. Also Price isnt getting that much tested need to see more of him but he has the basics to do great things in my opinion. I would put Mike Perez the Cuban based in Cork into the mix too there could be some good fights between all 3 as all 3 are young.

Frampton beats Quigg, frampton will win a world title and prob be around the level for a few years.

Quigg might win one but it'll be one and that's it. Quigg is going to be a sort of Moore, Macklin, Barker level. A nearly man but still a talent.

And price Beats fury all day long, price is by far the more skilled, powerful, harder hitting, better controlled fighter. Fury is an accident waiting to happen.

Regarding Macklin he is being promoted well in the US and I wouldnt be shocked to see Mack the Knife winning a World title. He wont do anything against Martinez but the other champions dont look as strong to me. So there could be a winable fight for Macklin.

 

[Manchester1894]

Billy Joe Saunders move to Primetime looks to be a bad move. Really like the look of him but no exposure for such a good boxer is criminal.

 

[leighton]

Billy Joe Saunders move to Primetime looks to be a bad move. Really like the look of him but no exposure for such a good boxer is criminal.

Rumours are Warren is in the shit not paying his fighters. And BJS went around to Warrens house demanding his money for fighting he wasnt being paid. Boxnation isnt going to stay around much longer as its costing too much money that Warren no longer has. I have also heard that Kevin Mitchell wasnt paid either for his fight as well.

 

[LongsightM13]

Billy Joe Saunders move to Primetime looks to be a bad move. Really like the look of him but no exposure for such a good boxer is criminal.

Rumours are Warren is in the shit not paying his fighters. And BJS went around to Warrens house demanding his money for fighting he wasnt being paid. Boxnation isnt going to stay around much longer as its costing too much money that Warren no longer has. I have also heard that Kevin Mitchell wasnt paid either for his fight as well.

Interesting that, these rumours have been going around for a year or so but seem to be growing in number.
Wonder if Billy Joe got his money? If not, maybe he could look at employing the services of Terry Marsh as a debt collector . . .

 

[johnmc]

Apologies for this but I believe Flintoff is fighting on box nation?? Is it PPV?

 

[Dirty Harry]

Frank Warren = the British Don King, I know for a fact, that once you're of no use to him making money off your back, you're cast aside regardless of contract.

C'mon Leighton, you should know not to pay any attention or give any credence to claims fighters are 'avoiding' each other, it means little, and mostly nothing, shit I remember Calzaghe being accused of dodging Jeff Lacy lol.

 

[leighton]

Harry I know but the fact a fighter is calling someone out time and again it makes you think yhe other doesnt want the fight.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Harry I know but the fact a fighter is calling someone out time and again it makes you think yhe other doesnt want the fight.

Again mate it's something that happens all the time, if we took that to its 'illogical' conclusion then we would see 'the caller outer' being victorious on each occasion when they do eventually meet, yet history is littered with the opposite.

The truth is, fighters have different ideas of which paths they should take at certain points in their careers, it sounds like Frampton sees Quigg as a viable one at this moment in time, I can actually see why this is the case, personally I do actually think he has a longer shelf-life in the game than Quigg and would come back and move forward from a defeat to Quigg far better than Quigg would if he were to lose to Frampton, I just think Quigg's playing it smarter at this moment in time and making sure he's looking after number one than it being an indication of his thoughts on the how the fight would go, I mean, why take a 'too close to call' fight until you have to at this stage ?

 

[LongsightM13]

Harry I know but the fact a fighter is calling someone out time and again it makes you think yhe other doesnt want the fight.

Again mate it's something that happens all the time, if we took that to its 'illogical' conclusion then we would see 'the caller outer' being victorious on each occasion when they do eventually meet, yet history is littered with the opposite.

The truth is, fighters have different ideas of which paths they should take at certain points in their careers, it sounds like Frampton sees Quigg as a viable one at this moment in time, I can actually see why this is the case, personally I do actually think he has a longer shelf-life in the game than Quigg and would come back and move forward from a defeat to Quigg far better than Quigg would if he were to lose to Frampton, I just think Quigg's playing it smarter at this moment in time and making sure he's looking after number one than it being an indication of his thoughts on the how the fight would go, I mean, why take a 'too close to call' fight until you have to at this stage ?

Both are making good money now but one would have to start again if he lost to the other at this stage of their careers.
The fight makes a lot more sense on every level — financial, media-wise and as a sporting event — if one or both has a version of the world title belt.
Same with Price and Fury. I have no doubt the fight will be made, but only if and when the time and the money is right.
That said, Hatton v Witter was fight just crying to be made and never happened. The reason was Junior wanted an even split, even though he couldn't draw flies to a dump. He couldn't even sell out Hillsborough Leisure Centre in his home city on his own, yet wanted half the money for an MEN arena fight

 

[Seosa]

Apologies for this but I believe Flintoff is fighting on box nation?? Is it PPV?

I just hope that goes well...

 

[Dirty Harry]

Both are making good money now but one would have to start again if he lost to the other at this stage of their careers.
The fight makes a lot more sense on every level — financial, media-wise and as a sporting event — if one or both has a version of the world title belt.
Same with Price and Fury. I have no doubt the fight will be made, but only if and when the time and the money is right.

Deffo mate, it makes sense all round doesn't it, maybe Frampton doesn't feel he's getting the recognition he deserves hence the throwing out the challenges, but I think deep down he knows full well there's a better time down the line for a match-up.

With Fury and Price, whilst I wouldn't dispute anything you've said, I think there's a little bit more to it, both have a huge advantage with their height, reach and weight and they both make it count, but obviously that's an advantage they'd lose against each other, I've also felt Price and Fury have been playing the long game for a while whilst the Klits are both still dominant, again they'd lose that big advantage but against hugely experienced and quality fighters, so I think we'll be waiting a while for any of the above to get it on.

Now watch a fight be made in the next 12 months lol ;-)

 

[Manchester1894]

Cheers for heads up whoever mentioned Broner. Will keep an eye on this one!

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Missed this Eubank Jr fight. <a class="postlink" href="http://youtu.be/2Fq7Bv45tmM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://youtu.be/2Fq7Bv45tmM</a> Coming along nicely. Can't wait for a real tester for him. Billy Joe Saunders v Eubank Jr could be one of the next big british fights in my opinion.

Some entertaining undefeated fighters in the UK at the min. Not even touched on Khalid Yafai and Kell Brook.

 

[Pigeonho]

Thoughts for tonight?

I'm going for Flintoff to be knocked out within 3 rounds - if he's lucky.

 

[leighton]

Harry I know but the fact a fighter is calling someone out time and again it makes you think yhe other doesnt want the fight.

Again mate it's something that happens all the time, if we took that to its 'illogical' conclusion then we would see 'the caller outer' being victorious on each occasion when they do eventually meet, yet history is littered with the opposite.

The truth is, fighters have different ideas of which paths they should take at certain points in their careers, it sounds like Frampton sees Quigg as a viable one at this moment in time, I can actually see why this is the case, personally I do actually think he has a longer shelf-life in the game than Quigg and would come back and move forward from a defeat to Quigg far better than Quigg would if he were to lose to Frampton, I just think Quigg's playing it smarter at this moment in time and making sure he's looking after number one than it being an indication of his thoughts on the how the fight would go, I mean, why take a 'too close to call' fight until you have to at this stage ?

Both are making good money now but one would have to start again if he lost to the other at this stage of their careers.
The fight makes a lot more sense on every level — financial, media-wise and as a sporting event — if one or both has a version of the world title belt.
Same with Price and Fury. I have no doubt the fight will be made, but only if and when the time and the money is right.
That said, Hatton v Witter was fight just crying to be made and never happened. The reason was Junior wanted an even split, even though he couldn't draw flies to a dump. He couldn't even sell out Hillsborough Leisure Centre in his home city on his own, yet wanted half the money for an MEN arena fight

The thing is Frampton is selling huge tickets in Belfast now. He has built up a huge following all over Ireland not just up in Belfast. I know there does be many boxing fans down South that go up to Belfast for his fights so he could sell out the Odysessy Arena also what Matchroom are doing is smart getting the undercard with other Irish fighters be it Martin Lindsey , Paul McCloskey and Eamonn O Kane all on the undercard which helps as all have a decent following. He was even on tv stations down south with McGugian a few times in the build up to his fights. The lad outside the ring is so down to earth aswell from reporters I know they have nothing but praise for the lad inside and outside the ring.

Both are making good money now but one would have to start again if he lost to the other at this stage of their careers.
The fight makes a lot more sense on every level — financial, media-wise and as a sporting event — if one or both has a version of the world title belt.
Same with Price and Fury. I have no doubt the fight will be made, but only if and when the time and the money is right.

Deffo mate, it makes sense all round doesn't it, maybe Frampton doesn't feel he's getting the recognition he deserves hence the throwing out the challenges, but I think deep down he knows full well there's a better time down the line for a match-up.

With Fury and Price, whilst I wouldn't dispute anything you've said, I think there's a little bit more to it, both have a huge advantage with their height, reach and weight and they both make it count, but obviously that's an advantage they'd lose against each other, I've also felt Price and Fury have been playing the long game for a while whilst the Klits are both still dominant, again they'd lose that big advantage but against hugely experienced and quality fighters, so I think we'll be waiting a while for any of the above to get it on.

Now watch a fight be made in the next 12 months lol ;-)

The thing is this division is jammed packed with big hitters and classy fighters if you could make the Bamtamweight division it would be easier to win a World Title than in the Super Bamtamweight division as the champions at the moment are in my opinion not a weak champion holding any of the belts. So for either Carl or Quigg to win a championship at the moment will be a big big achiement at the moment.

Fury v Price will happen just think it needs to happen sooner rather than later in my opinion.

 

[LongsightM13]

Apologies for this but I believe Flintoff is fighting on box nation?? Is it PPV?

I just hope that goes well...

The only thing which gives me solace is the involvement of Barry McGuigan.
He is a true boxing man, one who would never let himself be involved in anything which seriously endangers someone's life or well-being.
As the man who tried to set up a union for boxers and having been involved in a ring fatality himself, against Young Ali early in his career, he knows all too well the risks and if Flintoff genuinely isn't up to it then he would have nothing to do with it.
Interestingly, I think he respect's Flintoff's need to continuing testing himself in the sporting arena.
After he retired from boxing, McGuigan had a go at becoming a professional rally car driver, with mixed success, so he well understands the void that a lack of regular challenges can leave in a world class sportsman's life once they retire.