The Boxing thread

Adidas Sharston said:
Just heard about Groves v Murray on the undercard, looking forward to that.
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Got to say both guys will fight anyone think George will have too much and might win on points if he gets a late stopage it will be some statement whoever win gets a title shot.

James DeGale next weekend should be a decent fight too think DeGale wins but would like to see him trying to get a unification fight sometime sooner rather than later.
 
Groves Murray should be a cracker. Murray's a tough tough man but GGG punched some of that out of him and facing a naturally bigger man and probably a better boxer is a tough ask at his age.

You can't blame Fast Eddie for tricking the gullible casual boxing fan by making all AJ's fights PPV but it sticks in my craw to see the totally unproven AJ trousering small fortunes for knocking over bums

DeGale's lined up to face the winner of Jack/Bute before the inevitable rematch with Groves if he keeps winning
 
leighton said:
Got to say both guys will fight anyone think George will have too much and might win on points if he gets a late stopage it will be some statement whoever win gets a title shot.

James DeGale next weekend should be a decent fight too think DeGale wins but would like to see him trying to get a unification fight sometime sooner rather than later.
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Yeah i'd go with Groves on points, think his jab will be the difference. Fair play to both for taking the fight.
 
AJ has just caught on with the public, Olympic gold, built like an Adonis, KO artist, says the right things
He's our De-La-Hoya. All my mates who are just casual fans now ( well his last 2 fights ) we organise a poker night, get in someone's man cave and book the fight
Hearn is just making what he can out of it
 
bluemc1 said:
AJ has just caught on with the public, Olympic gold, built like an Adonis, KO artist, says the right things
He's our De-La-Hoya. All my mates who are just casual fans now ( well his last 2 fights ) we organise a poker night, get in someone's man cave and book the fight
Hearn is just making what he can out of it
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So far he's been nothing but media driven hype, and to be fair to them it's worked. I doubt even they themselves expected it to work this well but AJ already has a huge casual fan base. What's sad is how a lot of the same people never supported Amir Khan when he was given the same treatment, I remember going to the Barrera fight and there was loads of English lads with Mexican flags and hats supporting Barrera. Found that quite sad.
 
Adidas Sharston said:
Apparently contracts have been signed between Kovalev v Ward for a fight in the fall.

Really hope this is true.
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Fascinating matchup if it's true. Ward's so good he can smother the life out of fights so it might not be pure entertainment but I'd expect Krusher's sheer weight of shot to open him up.

Looks like Kovalev v Stevenson isn't gonna happen now. Big shame, that's the fight I've most wanted to see in the last few years
 
MarkumCity said:
Groves Murray should be a cracker. Murray's a tough tough man but GGG punched some of that out of him and facing a naturally bigger man and probably a better boxer is a tough ask at his age.

You can't blame Fast Eddie for tricking the gullible casual boxing fan by making all AJ's fights PPV but it sticks in my craw to see the totally unproven AJ trousering small fortunes for knocking over bums

DeGale's lined up to face the winner of Jack/Bute before the inevitable rematch with Groves if he keeps winning
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The thing is though the heavyweight division is littered with bums compared to AJ, he's bringing the excitement which has been lacking, he's not been at pro level all that long and tries to give fans realistic expectations when he does speak to the press. As for Hearn he is just doing his job, AJ isn't ready for Fury, Klitschko or Haye yet and they've been honest about that... but IMO he will be in time if he continues on the path of progression he's on. He need's to climb levels rather than jump right in, maybe some more lesser known but dangerous undefeated fighters then onto Wilder or Parker then go for the mega fights until he is the mega fight. Wilder is someone I think AJ has already surpassed(skills, power, quality of opponent about the same, got there sooner too), he's been knocking out bums and enjoying the hype train for way longer. I'd like to see that fight made, maybe put him in with a couple more dangerous opponents first but get there before Fury does.
 
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Metalartin said:
The thing is though the heavyweight division is littered with bums compared to AJ, he's bringing the excitement which has been lacking, he's not been at pro level all that long and tries to give fans realistic expectations when he does speak to the press. As for Hearn he is just doing his job, AJ isn't ready for Fury, Klitschko or Haye yet and they've been honest about that... but IMO he will be in time if he continues on the path of progression he's on. He need's to climb levels rather than jump right in, maybe some more lesser known but dangerous undefeated fighters then onto Wilder or Parker then go for the mega fights until he is the mega fight. Wilder is someone I think AJ has already surpassed(skills, power, quality of opponent about the same, got there sooner too), he's been knocking out bums and enjoying the hype train for way longer. I'd like to see that fight made, maybe put him in with a couple more dangerous opponents first but get there before Fury does.
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I agree with pretty much everything you say. I don't resent AJ earning big bucks per se, it's one tough way to make a living, but I suppose I don't feel he's earned his stripes in that regard yet compared to other boxers but as you say that's down to Eddie's salesmanship. It's the hype that annoys me and the way the general public probably have AJ and Fury as equals even though Fury's the lineal champ.

One point I disagree with you on is Wilder. Yep he's fought his share of no hopers but for me what he showed against Stiverne is a level or two above anything AJ's shown yet although he has had twice as many fights.
 
MarkumCity said:
One point I disagree with you on is Wilder. Yep he's fought his share of no hopers but for me what he showed against Stiverne is a level or two above anything AJ's shown yet although he has had twice as many fights.
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Must admit I didn't watch the full fight but watching the highlights Stiverne had zero head movement, plodding forward in straight lines walking onto shots all night he wasn't even leading with a punch half the time just a high guard walking forward. Is that really 2-3 levels above what Dillian Whyte offered(think he can still make something of himself personally if he wants it enough) while the fight lasted? I still say he should go for Wilder before Fury gets there, then he can prepare for a Fury show down later down the line.
 
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Fury and Hearn handbags on Twitter...

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Some of the idiots on Twitter asking Hearn to be charged more for AJ PPV and buying tickets to his show without the announcement of an opponent or an undercard is fucking embarrassing, also Hearn bragging he could charge fans twice as much for tickets says it all about him.

Breazeale is shit but this will be the standard opponent for AJ for a while, wont go three rounds.

His last fight:



Also the undercard of the Crolla show is fucking shocking.
 
Hearn has come out and said the undercard for Crolla wont be getting any better because hes paying Crolla such a fat wedge, hes a prick, as you said above he openly brags about how he could charge more.
 
ell said:
Hearn has come out and said the undercard for Crolla wont be getting any better because hes paying Crolla such a fat wedge, hes a prick, as you said above he openly brags about how he could charge more.
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He's a smug bastard, there's no reason that Murray Groves couldn't have been arranged for the Crolla card. Since when is it the paying fans fault what the fighters get paid, Barroso isnt getting a massive fee. Truth is without his Daddy and Sky he'd be about the level of a Mick Hennessey (no disrespect to Mick).
 
Hearn is a bit of a smug dickhead. But I also think fair play to him for making big names out of British boxers. If everyone earns well along the way, so be it.

He also makes a lot of decent 50/50's on his cards (admittedly not always - the Crolla card for example is a stinker).

But compared to the shite served up when FW was main man, I like what Hearn is doing. If he'd been around when Calzaghe was active, I'm sure he would have got him the defining fights he craved in his prime (not at the end of his career).
 
Free Ian Brown said:
Hearn is a bit of a smug dickhead. But I also think fair play to him for making big names out of British boxers. If everyone earns well along the way, so be it.

He also makes a lot of decent 50/50's on his cards (admittedly not always - the Crolla card for example is a stinker).

But compared to the shite served up when FW was main man, I like what Hearn is doing. If he'd been around when Calzaghe was active, I'm sure he would have got him the defining fights he craved in his prime (not at the end of his career).
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I agree mate, as much as I dislike Hearn, he is far better than fish eyes Warren.
 
I'm not saying Warren is a better option but giving Hearn an exclusive contract with Sky enables him to serve up shit like the Crolla undercard. Also he rarely makes 50/50 fights that aren't on PPV, just because Jim Watt tells me some fat Latvian with an unbeaten record is a 50/50 opponent doesn't mean he actually is. The reality is most of the people attending matchroom shows are casual fans and thats his bread and butter.
 
Well you know Eddie has been like that for years. Matchroom sport in general offer sky so much so this aint going to change anytime soon. Crolla fight weekend is so poor. He could of put on a few British title fights or 50-50s if he wanted to match some of his fighters. He has a few fighters who are itching to get out and box yet some are waiting for the fights. Jono Carroll should be moved up in standard of fighter by now not great power but is stalling with Hearn a wee bit undeafeated but not many KOs he is on the undercard of Crolla. Also Paul Smith could of been in with Rocky Fielding ideally would of been a good fight. The only fight that interests me is Shayne Singleton v Adil Anwar heard good things about Singleton yet to see him fighting.
 
Metalartin said:
Must admit I didn't watch the full fight but watching the highlights Stiverne had zero head movement, plodding forward in straight lines walking onto shots all night he wasn't even leading with a punch half the time just a high guard walking forward. Is that really 2-3 levels above what Dillian Whyte offered(think he can still make something of himself personally if he wants it enough) while the fight lasted? I still say he should go for Wilder before Fury gets there, then he can prepare for a Fury show down later down the line.
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From what I remember Stiv got tagged early on and it took a lot out of him but Wilder's footwork was first class and he threw a lot of punches for a heavyweight.
 
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