The Boxing thread

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Zin I still think a Khan fight will sell everywhere. He may well be shot but he lost nothing in his last defeat. He will drop back down and may well go on a run of wins and get a title fight by this time next year. I can see him winning a world title again how daft is that.
The Kell fight is huge in the UK and has to happen makes both men good money. I am liking British boxing at the moment the big fights are being made. Groves v Murray and Frampton v Quigg already this year to name 2 were big fights with big British fighters.

Promotors have stables, leight, haynon has his hooks in khan who has imo, always been about the money. That's fine when you can back it up, but his lack of discipline for the sport is astounding, you'll have to take my word for it but some of the stories would have you blurting 'wtf'.. I think what's frustrating is he probably had the talent to be a top fighter, he's just flawed..

They can continue to make fights for khan because of his cv, however, doesn't really offer any risks, he's happy to be that puppet.. Kell would annihilate Khan imo, said as much to you before brook won his world title...

As for British boxing, it's the envy of the world right now, but the same problems apply, to make the coin they'll have to make fights over the Atlantic, that brings a whole world of different issues..

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

I think it has been obvious from the moment Khan realised his jaw is made of glass that he's only interested in the money. He knew full well he didn't have a fucking prayer against Canelo. What he did know is that there was about $9m waiting for him when he was to ultimately leave the hospital.

And despite there being a lot of money in a potential Brook fight, whilst a defeat to Canelo wouldn't damage his reputation too much given Canelo's already global rep, defeat to a UK fighter who has one good scalp to his name could well be the one fight that ultimately sends his career down into the ashes.

Garcia & Thurman would send Khan back to the same ward Canelo put him in.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I think it has been obvious from the moment Khan realised his jaw is made of glass that he's only interested in the money. He knew full well he didn't have a fucking prayer against Canelo. What he did know is that there was about $9m waiting for him when he was to ultimately leave the hospital.

And despite there being a lot of money in a potential Brook fight, whilst a defeat to Canelo wouldn't damage his reputation too much given Canelo's already global rep, defeat to a UK fighter who has one good scalp to his name could well be the one fight that ultimately sends his career down into the ashes.

Garcia & Thurman would send Khan back to the same ward Canelo put him in.

Khan is a dumb fighter bud, roach has said as much, in a different manner, obviously...

After prescott he had the opportunity to adapt his style, however, credence to his ego and inability to listen are reinforced by the bouts he's had since.. Like I mentioned earlier, he's content to make money being a whipping boy, sad really!!

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Khan is a dumb fighter bud, roach has said as much, in a different manner, obviously...

After prescott he had the opportunity to adapt his style, however, credence to his ego and inability to listen are reinforced by the bouts he's had since.. Like I mentioned earlier, he's content to make money being a whipping boy, sad really!!

It's almost a shame really. I wont lie, I cannot stand the ****. Makes out he is some Mayweather-esque talent with a decent chin, and patronises the likes of Brook constantly.

That being said, as a boxer he is fantastic. His hand-speed is second to none. He just lacks a boxing brain, like you said earlier - he's dumb.

His problem is that whilst he's a terrific boxer, he think's he's a fighter on top of that. He simply isn't. Anyone lands a sweet shot on his chin and it's lights out, whereas if he focused on his strengths and protecting his obvious weaknesses, it's very likely he'd have a much better record on paper, and probably not much less money in the bank either.

 

[leighton]

Promotors have stables, leight, haynon has his hooks in khan who has imo, always been about the money. That's fine when you can back it up, but his lack of discipline for the sport is astounding, you'll have to take my word for it but some of the stories would have you blurting 'wtf'.. I think what's frustrating is he probably had the talent to be a top fighter, he's just flawed..

They can continue to make fights for khan because of his cv, however, doesn't really offer any risks, he's happy to be that puppet.. Kell would annihilate Khan imo, said as much to you before brook won his world title...

As for British boxing, it's the envy of the world right now, but the same problems apply, to make the coin they'll have to make fights over the Atlantic, that brings a whole world of different issues..

Zin I dont think Khan will beat KELL think Kell will be too strong for him. I rememeber you saying about Kell always found him exciting to watch. I think back then I would of predicted Frampton to be a World Champion too..
Also think that Big Tommy McCarthy will become the next world champion from Belfast along with Ryan Burnett too those guys look a class adove at such a stage they are at the moment to there other rivals with the same about of fights.

 

[ono]

Brook takes his belt too seriously imo bud, he needs to follow the suit of calzaghe now (even though it was late in the day) and make a fight in the states, he's missing the boat because he wants to be the home fighter... He has the skills to be a success over there, he lacks belief!!!

Brook probably needs a belt to be able to demand 50-50 shares against the likes of Thurman and Garcia etc. Porter made over twice as much as Brook from their fight and a title less Brook will probably find himself in the 'who needs him club' once again (although you could argue he is still there now). I give him more than a solid chance against Thurman and would back him to beat Garcia (although not sure he'd get a decision in the US). Unfortunately he won't go down that route yet. He will go down the Jessie Vargas route, take his title and then either delay an IBF defence against Spence or vacate completely to defend the WBO belt against Bradley, who he could probably get back over here. Just can't see Hearn wanting him to tackle Spence. Shame really because he has wasted his prime with bullshit mandatories. The Khan fight is harder than ever to make now given he only has a ranking with the WBC so that fight realistically only gets made if Khan gets hold of the WBC belt...which is probably a longshot given his trajectory.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Do people still bother with Khan? Been awful for a while.

 

[peoffrey]

Now fighting in Cardiff on the 17th July mate.

Spotted that yesterday evening. Same bill as Liam Williams who I am a big fan of. Turbo is putting on coaches again. A decent fella.

 

[SuperKevinHorlock]

Spotted that yesterday evening. Same bill as Liam Williams who I am a big fan of. Turbo is putting on coaches again. A decent fella.

Yeah Terry is a top lad!

Rigo on the bill as well a true artist if not to everybody's taste.

 

[Centurions]

Do people still bother with Khan? Been awful for a while.

I've worked for one of the boxing channels, believe me, we went daft with all the Asian and Muslim fans when he had a fight coming up and they still do.

 

[Armaan]

I'm disappointed with Kell Brook, since becoming world champion he's done nothing, his career has Just stalled. It's what I hate about boxing, the champions most of the time fight no hopers.

With Khan, anybody with power these days will ko him. If you don't have power he'll just out point you. The Maidana fight I feel took a lot out of him, he did well to win that fight you have to give him credit for that. A mate of mine met him in Vegas after the Canelo fight and Khan showed him his body and it was fully red, was saying Canelos body shots are what were f*****g him up.

 

[leighton]

I think Terry needs to get onto a Sky Box Office fight big time with Crolla makes sense. Wins that then Turbo will make a lot of money. Warren is looking after him but 1 fight could well make him and his family comfortable for years to come.
The next few weeks some interesting fights. You got Rigo v Jazza Dickens Rigo is the best boxer i have seen.
Then you got Terence Crawford v Viktor Postol unification fight.
Then to end the month Frampton v Santa Cruz fight

Someone 0 has to go in all of those fights lol.

 

[Adidas Sharston]

I think Terry needs to get onto a Sky Box Office fight big time with Crolla makes sense. Wins that then Turbo will make a lot of money. Warren is looking after him but 1 fight could well make him and his family comfortable for years to come.
The next few weeks some interesting fights. You got Rigo v Jazza Dickens Rigo is the best boxer i have seen.
Then you got Terence Crawford v Viktor Postol unification fight.
Then to end the month Frampton v Santa Cruz fight

Someone 0 has to go in all of those fights lol.

Great undercard for the Frampton fight. Paulie Malignaggi, Mikey Garcia, Jermall Charlo & Tito Bracero amongst others on the bill.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

This looks good - he lived not too far from me when I was in Moston and he was a regular at the Moston Blues supporters club meetings and other branch meetings too

THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY
MICHAEL ARMSTRONG WITH JOHN LUDDEN
FOREWORD BY STEVE BUNCE
“Each one of the punches that landed put me in a different place; a club, a pub, a brothel -
scattered memories of crazy nights out, flashing images; the whiskey, cocaine and the countless girls...
What the hell was I thinking?”

Michael Gomez was a talented featherweight with the world at his feet but his meteoric rise through the world rankings was derailed by his activities outside the ring.

If his life had been fictionalised, people would believe it far-fetched; he was charged (and later acquitted) of murder, spent 48 seconds clinically dead after being stabbed, attempted suicide and saw his long-suffering wife finally give up the ghost and leave him.

Perhaps the question should be how he is still here at all...

Acclaimed sports writer John Ludden has brought to vivid life Gomez's dramatic life and ghost written one of the most compelling stories in British sporting history.
http://empire-uk.com/Gomez.html

 

[Adidas Sharston]

This looks good - he lived not too far from me when I was in Moston and he was a regular at the Moston Blues supporters club meetings and other branch meetings too

THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY
MICHAEL ARMSTRONG WITH JOHN LUDDEN
FOREWORD BY STEVE BUNCE
“Each one of the punches that landed put me in a different place; a club, a pub, a brothel -
scattered memories of crazy nights out, flashing images; the whiskey, cocaine and the countless girls...
What the hell was I thinking?”

Michael Gomez was a talented featherweight with the world at his feet but his meteoric rise through the world rankings was derailed by his activities outside the ring.

If his life had been fictionalised, people would believe it far-fetched; he was charged (and later acquitted) of murder, spent 48 seconds clinically dead after being stabbed, attempted suicide and saw his long-suffering wife finally give up the ghost and leave him.

Perhaps the question should be how he is still here at all...

Acclaimed sports writer John Ludden has brought to vivid life Gomez's dramatic life and ghost written one of the most compelling stories in British sporting history.
http://empire-uk.com/Gomez.html

Cheers for posting, look forward to reading this.

 

[leighton]

Great undercard for the Frampton fight. Paulie Malignaggi, Mikey Garcia, Jermall Charlo & Tito Bracero amongst others on the bill.

Yeah hopefully Sky get there hands on this card. Not too sure if ITV still showing Carls fight but it makes sense for them to get it. With Lee Selby in the mix to be fighting the winner in a unification fight too it has to be on Sky I hope and yea the card looks great Mikey Garcia im looking forward to seeing fighting hopefully he doesnt have too much ring rust.

 

[Adidas Sharston]

Yeah hopefully Sky get there hands on this card. Not too sure if ITV still showing Carls fight but it makes sense for them to get it. With Lee Selby in the mix to be fighting the winner in a unification fight too it has to be on Sky I hope and yea the card looks great Mikey Garcia im looking forward to seeing fighting hopefully he doesnt have too much ring rust.

Got Charlo wrong he's not on the card.

Yeah Garcia's not fought for a couple of years so be interesting to see how he looks. Great fighter with a decent ko record. My heart says Carl but my head says LSC on points. Great work rate and throws constant punches, that said Frampton's no mug and has every chance. He beats Selby all day long for me.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

This looks good - he lived not too far from me when I was in Moston and he was a regular at the Moston Blues supporters club meetings and other branch meetings too

THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY
MICHAEL ARMSTRONG WITH JOHN LUDDEN
FOREWORD BY STEVE BUNCE
“Each one of the punches that landed put me in a different place; a club, a pub, a brothel -
scattered memories of crazy nights out, flashing images; the whiskey, cocaine and the countless girls...
What the hell was I thinking?”

Michael Gomez was a talented featherweight with the world at his feet but his meteoric rise through the world rankings was derailed by his activities outside the ring.

If his life had been fictionalised, people would believe it far-fetched; he was charged (and later acquitted) of murder, spent 48 seconds clinically dead after being stabbed, attempted suicide and saw his long-suffering wife finally give up the ghost and leave him.

Perhaps the question should be how he is still here at all...

Acclaimed sports writer John Ludden has brought to vivid life Gomez's dramatic life and ghost written one of the most compelling stories in British sporting history.
http://empire-uk.com/Gomez.html

He was sweeping floors in staly Vegas last time I saw him, hope he makes a few quid off this!!

 

[leighton]

Got Charlo wrong he's not on the card.

Yeah Garcia's not fought for a couple of years so be interesting to see how he looks. Great fighter with a decent ko record. My heart says Carl but my head says LSC on points. Great work rate and throws constant punches, that said Frampton's no mug and has every chance. He beats Selby all day long for me.

Mate dont under rate Carl. Hes a classy boxer can box many ways on the back foot or come forward. He hasnt been right at bamtamweight for a long time so the move up will help him out big time for me. He might be able to bring his power up with him. He seemed drained in his last 2 fights. The cut of weight i think is getting harder for him. Also Shane McGugian and him work so well. Both are really good together. He beat Kiko in his last fight but Kiko is shot not the same fighter he was. Frampton boxed and better Kiko than either Leo or Quigg did. Also Carls a great counter puncher. I can honestly see Leo walking onto a big punch by Carl. He has a point to prove to everyone Carl. Last time out there in the US he had his worst night of his pro carrer. Now the fight will be on a big card and at night time not a afternoon fight. Also lessons will be learned from last fight they wont mess up as much as they did last time over there. 1 good win over there for Carl opens up huge fights there for him and big following too.

 

[ono]

Do people still bother with Khan? Been awful for a while.

Yeah, because he is exciting.

And prior to the Canelo fight, he was brilliant against Collazo and Alexander. Power will always be his kryptonite and he doesn't have the next boxing brain, but he doesn't mind being in dangerous fights and that's something we sadly can't say about a lot of British fighters.