The British Monarchy

SWP's back said:
Glad to see sense returning and only just over 1/3rd wanting then abolished.
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Its a mirror image this place.

Hate the Tories, hate any sort of perceived privilege, especially if its white and hate the Royal family unless she is American and a convenient head to hang your banner from, conveniently forgetting the privilege she benefits from on a daily basis.

Thankfully its nothing more than a noisy tiny element shouting and screaming online as usual.
 
the 'indifferent' part to the qu is a bit problematic really. I understand that is how some people feel, just 'meh', but if there ever is a referendum (and there probably wont be for a very long time!!) it'll be a binary choice, or you dont vote - either way it's only the yes/no that counts.

so at the moment, referendum style taking the indifferents to be non-voters, it's 56% Yes (keep) and 44% No (get rid), a reasonably strong win for keeping the Royal Zoo, by BlueMoon (but not overwhelming by any means).

but of course a lot of indifferents would vote, but it is hard to know which way they would go.
 
blueinsa said:
Its a mirror image this place.

Hate the Tories, hate any sort of perceived privilege, especially if its white and hate the Royal family unless she is American and a convenient head to hang your banner from, conveniently forgetting the privilege she benefits from on a daily basis.

Thankfully its nothing more than a noisy tiny element shouting and screaming online as usual.
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Why shouldn't i hate the tories or the privileged royals? One lot have done fuck all for me and the other lot have fucked me and millions of others over for 30 years.
 
SWP's back said:
Because when they gave it to the exchequer in return for the civil list, they did actually own the fucking thing so maybe brush up on your history.

Anyway, I’m not the arguing to abolish the monarchy or take the civil list off then but there is a contract in place that gave up the crown estate in return for it. So fair would be fair. Or people can simply stop pissing and moaning about how much they actually cost when the arrangement is a huge net profit for the taxpayer.
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Seems a little harsh :)

I understand your where you're coming from, but if you read about how they came to "own" it in the first place, and the reasons why they gave it up, then it's clear it was never their private property. Briefly, "they" once owned most of the country by default, and they used the money they made from it to run things. That gradually changed over time, and they eventually gave it up because what was left of the Crown Estate didn't cover the costs of running things anymore, so they gave up those state responsibilities in exchange for the civil list.

We used to have an absolute monarchy, which came with huge responsibilities as the Royal Family were pretty much the government. As we've moved to a constitutional monarchy, almost all the responsibilities have been given up or removed. The transfer of the Crown Estate wasn't just in return for the civil list, it also let them off many other financial and governmental responsibilities.

If the Royal Family became a private family, then I suspect they wouldn't want to start running a variety of government departments with only the income from the Crown Estate to help them. I also suspect it wouldn't be what many people want :)

I mentioned the seabed because it feels a little more obvious, and has been in the news recently due to offshore wind farms. Does anyone really believe that the Royal Family legitimately, privately "owned" the seabed around the UK at any point of history? Of course not - it was simply the default that the state owned the seabeds, and it's only part of the Crown Estate because at some point state and crown were intertwined.
 
Shirley said:
If you really believe he is “fiddling” with his daughters arse at a public event then surely it’s you who has a problem.
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There was zero reason for him to go from a flat palm and fingers to curling his fingers as he went down the crack of her arse. Absolutely none.



And I’m one that stands up for the monarchy and royal family.
 
stonerblue said:
Why shouldn't i hate the tories or the privileged royals? One lot have done fuck all for me and the other lot have fucked me and millions of others over for 30 years.
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We all know that our taxes go towards paying for the royals and that includes people on their arse struggling to feed kids and pay bills giving money they desperately need to a family who are billionaires
Everyone knows that Andrew has escaped justice simply because of who he is and 12 million of tax payers money has been used to pay off the victim
We know that many of our parents have worked their entire lives to leave their kids money and property to help them live a more comfortable life, but before that money goes to their children a huge chunk is taken in inheritance tax, but a billionaire family who wouldn’t even notice don’t have to give a penny of inheritance tax
There’s just so many things associated with the royals that when the public hear about them they think “ that’s not fair “

I don’t know what the split is of royalists and Republicans in this country maybe 50/50 ( I don’t know ) but you’d think that the Royals would be aware of what those not in favour feel and it’s largely the “ tax payers money “ issue
Knowing this you think maybe just PR wise they would publicly offer to even just make some contribution to the cost of this funeral maybe

Personally I know that the one rule for them will never change so I just never think about it in my day to day life. Ok if someone tells me say something Andrew has done and got away with, I’ll think yeah that’s fucked up, but that’ll be it, I wont let that put me in a bad mood or affect my day
There’s so many injustices in the world you’d never be happy if you thought about them constantly. I know it’s going to be hot topic for people with the Queen just dying but seriously just Turn your Teles off.
I’ve never watched a royal wedding or funeral, Thatchers funeral etc.. cos I’ve got zero interest in them

It’ll never change so just crack on with what you can affect in your own life and live a happy one
 
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