The British Monarchy

Citizen of Legoland said:
Fair enough, you would have a minority view over here.

For me, I don't think it really matters to the ordinary person in the UK. You are either ruled by rich hereditary people or rich, politically motivated, power hungry people. The deciding factor for me is the history of the monarchy, I find it very interesting, and I wouldn't want to be a part of bringing it to an end.

And also, the "right to bear arms" is pretty antiquated too and doesn't belong in the 21st century, all countries have these anomalies, but I doubt that will be changing soon.
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How do you know it's a minority view? I think most people think the royal family are scroungers and the whole system is outdated.
 
hcblue95 said:
How do you know it's a minority view? I think most people think the royal family are scroungers and the whole system is outdated.
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Fill yer boots with this data ...

yougov.co.uk

One year into King Charles's reign, how do Britons feel about the monarchy? | YouGov

Most still support the institution, although younger people far less so
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Of course how this would end up in a national referendum who knows, maybe the youngsters would get out of bed and vote in that one.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Some could argue why do we all worship and cheer millionaire footballers during a time of economic despair for the country ?
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Interesting analogy.

Firstly, fanaticism over a sport, and worshipping athletes who entertain week in week out, is safe in the realms of normality when compared to adoration of a privileged family of leeches that contribute nothing of civic value.

And footballers being millionaires is contextually irrelevant, because they earn what they play for. If Haaland is earning £1million a week in a few years time, then fair fucks, because he's grafted since infancy to get to the position he's in. He hasn't had troves of public money bestowed upon him since birth for no reason whatsoever.

You also need to remember any football fan that pays to watch their team are, of their own volition, paying their idols wages; they're not forced to do so.
 
hcblue95 said:
How do you know it's a minority view? I think most people think the royal family are scroungers and the whole system is outdated.
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Some people think that getting rid of the royal family would instantly solve all of their problems but it won't. For that you should be blaming the politicians that we elect and the political system.

Either way there isn't really any correlation between monarchies, republics and wellbeing. The best countries in the world to live in like Norway, Sweden or Denmark are all consitutional monarchies like our own. Having a royal family or not is clearly not a factor.

There is an argument on cost but I think it can be proven that the royal family brings in more to the UK than they take. I mean it isn't like we don't get decent value. The Queen was still working at 96 and Charles is still working with cancer at 75.

Nobody envies their goldfish bowl life either that's for sure. I'm not a royalist but I don't see why we should get rid of them unless this is yet another social justice type issue that must be put right for the sake of it...
 
Blue and true said:
I haven't reinforced anything. In fact, you've completely disregarded my point about head of states being elected.
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because you disregarded my point that someone from a country who would choose Trump has the audacity to criticise another countries head of state
 
Tyler from Ohio said:
People are free to vote for whoever they want or feel like their interest would be best served. All of our Presidents are in because they achieved an electorate based on merit and achieving support from the public, as dislikeable their views may be. It's not like the royal family, where the members have carried out heinous acts with impunity and lack any personality other than being born into a family.
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Sounds to me as though you've got exactly what we have, only you voted for it.
 
Blue and true said:
I haven't reinforced anything. In fact, you've completely disregarded my point about head of states being elected.
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The point you are missing is that we're a nation of fucking idiots. We voted for Brexit because people believed 3 word slogans printed on the side of a bus over facts and data. The people who hate these "fucking scroungers" who make up our Royal Family would almost certainly vote for people with similarly privileged backgrounds and similarly dark secrets who would have the power to do a hell of a lot more damage.
 
flook said:
because you disregarded my point that someone from a country who would choose Trump has the audacity to criticise another countries head of state
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I don't think the poster was criticizing the head of state, i.e Charles. He was criticizing the system that put him there.

And if Americans choose to make Trump President again, then it's on them. It's a bed they'll have made and will have to sleep in.
 
This escalated quickly.

Anyway, the rumours are that she's not well so she may have had to photoshop a Mothers Day photo as they are expected to put one out.

To be fair, I think the press should leave her the F alone. If she is dealing with some health issues then they should have some space regardless of whether we agree with her existence or not.
 
flook said:
because you disregarded my point that someone from a country who would choose Trump has the audacity to criticise another countries head of state
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Didn't the British elect Boris Johnson?

The reason why Trump got elected and continues to be very popular over here because he appeals to the rural voters, who have felt disenfranchised by the ruling elite. Yes Trump may have undesirable traits as a person, but his core principles such as prioritizing America and putting American interests first, is what appeals to the voters. Is that something to be critical of? Absolutely not.
 
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Tyler from Ohio said:
People are free to vote for whoever they want or feel like their interest would be best served. All of our Presidents are in because they achieved an electorate based on merit and achieving support from the public, as dislikeable their views may be. It's not like the royal family, where the members have carried out heinous acts with impunity and lack any personality other than being born into a family.
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Thank fuck there are people in the world like you.
 
Blue and true said:
And if Americans choose to make Trump President again, then it's on them. It's a bed they'll have made and will have to sleep in.
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Tyler from Ohio said:
Yes Trump may have undesirable traits as a person, but his core principles such as prioritizing America and putting American interests first, is what appeals to the voters. Is that something to be critical of? Absolutely not.
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When America has spent decades becoming the worlds self-appointed policeman, and establishing themselves as the premier allied military power electing Trump as president means it's a bed the whole of the western world has to sleep in, and whilst I have no issues with putting your own country first, to do so to such an extent and with no regard to world consequences is absolutely something to be critical of.

As for electing Boris Johnson, I have no defence to offer there
 
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