The Catholic Church and Homosexuality

[mad4city]

If one accepts that, whatever your personal opinions of the institution, there will always be a Catholic Church, then this can only be a good thing. It moves at a glacial pace though, the Vatican. So, I doubt we'll be seeing the LBGT community getting a fair shake (ooh er, missus) from them in our lifetimes either, mind. Not that the Catholic Church is alone in that, I suppose.

It always bemuses me that there seems to be a limit on what various churches call 'Christian charity'! It's thumped out - faith, hope and charity - but when it comes to certain aspects of daily life, charity goes out of the window!

How very true.

I noticed ratzinger was welcomed as a saint by the new incarnate of Christ last week, let's just forget he's culpable for covering up over 200,000 rapes worldwide the evil bastard, also citing homosexuality as the catalyst for pedophiles....... Burn the whole fucking thing to the ground and be done with it!!!

Firstly, you surely meant Pope John Paul II because Ratzinger (equally guilty of all of the above in my humble etc) is still alive, isn't he?
Also, if I may say so, you had a fair point to make but you let yourself down with some of the terms (Popery), random statistics (not sure that 20,000 rapes excused is necessarially worse than just one) and excitable rhetoric (burn it to the ground?) that you used.
There are millions of decent, honourable Catholics who would be deeply offended by that sort of language - and I think they'd have every right to be. I don't want to sound patronising but I can't imagine that that was your intention, was it? God knows, there's none of us going to change much waffling to each other on here but if the advice of a random eejit on the interweb is worth anything to you: you'll never change anybody's opinions with that tone.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

Firstly, you surely meant Pope John Paul II because Ratzinger (equally guilty of all of the above in my humble etc) is still alive, isn't he?
Also, if I may say so, you had a fair point to make but you let yourself down with some of the terms (Popery), random statistics (not sure that 20,000 rapes excused is necessarially worse than just one) and excitable rhetoric (burn it to the ground?) that you used.
There are millions of decent, honourable Catholics who would be deeply offended by that sort of language - and I think they'd have every right to be. I don't want to sound patronising but I can't imagine that that was your intention, was it? God knows, there's none of us going to change much waffling to each other on here but if the advice of a random eejit on the interweb is worth anything to you: you'll never change anybody's opinions with that tone.

I don't believe in God so assuming those catholics you mentioned are actually "good catholics" they believe I am going to Hell where I will spend eternity burning alive. Is that not offensive? Why do they get a free pass and Zin does not?

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

If one accepts that, whatever your personal opinions of the institution, there will always be a Catholic Church, then this can only be a good thing. It moves at a glacial pace though, the Vatican. So, I doubt we'll be seeing the LBGT community getting a fair shake (ooh er, missus) from them in our lifetimes either, mind. Not that the Catholic Church is alone in that, I suppose.

It always bemuses me that there seems to be a limit on what various churches call 'Christian charity'! It's thumped out - faith, hope and charity - but when it comes to certain aspects of daily life, charity goes out of the window!

How very true.

I noticed ratzinger was welcomed as a saint by the new incarnate of Christ last week, let's just forget he's culpable for covering up over 200,000 rapes worldwide the evil bastard, also citing homosexuality as the catalyst for pedophiles....... Burn the whole fucking thing to the ground and be done with it!!!

Firstly, you surely meant Pope John Paul II because Ratzinger (equally guilty of all of the above in my humble etc) is still alive, isn't he?
Also, if I may say so, you had a fair point to make but you let yourself down with some of the terms (Popery), random statistics (not sure that 20,000 rapes excused is necessarially worse than just one) and excitable rhetoric (burn it to the ground?) that you used.
There are millions of decent, honourable Catholics who would be deeply offended by that sort of language - and I think they'd have every right to be. I don't want to sound patronising but I can't imagine that that was your intention, was it? God knows, there's none of us going to change much waffling to each other on here but if the advice of a random eejit on the interweb is worth anything to you: you'll never change anybody's opinions with that tone.

Offend them? One can only hope

Firstly it was 200,000, and that is the estimate worldwide pertaining to allegations over the last 40 years alone

Secondly ratzinger, who is indeed alive, should be nailed to a cross. The despicable cretin has been responsible for more institutionalised abuse in the last 20 years than anyone on the planet, fact.... I suggest you educate yourself on the role he played in the Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, or to your good self, the 'roman inquisition'.....

It helps to be informed when exacting a condescending sermon

And while we're at it let's discuss Marcial Maciel, rattwats closest confidante.....

Indeed there are many Catholics who buy into this spiel, unfortunately the damage is done, evolve the doctrine by all means, don't expect rational people to buy into it though, Christianity is on it's last legs, I'll take great pleasure in seeing it go up in smoke

And yes I am an authority on the subject!!!!

 

[Rascal]

And yes I am an authority on the subject!!!!

In the early 70s i remember my quite pious god fearing protestant Gran saying to me, dont ever marry a catholic as i will not be there. Strong stuff to a 6 year old. I have no idea why but she hated Catholicism with a passion. I am of no church as her church vicar refused to christen me as i was adopted lol

My Grandad was no less vocal about those bloody Catholics as he hated United and he always saw United as a Catholic club run by Catholics for Catholics. I do believe Big Ron was there first non Catholic manager.

Anyway i digress.


Zin can you shed light on the Albigensian Crusades against the Cathars and what significance they hold for the Catholic Church.



Or you just an expert on the homosexuality stuff?

 

[TangerineSteve17]

I think Christianity is on the back straight too, but with Islam being younger and almost as widely practised as Christianity, I think when people stop teaching the Bible, the Koran will not follow suit for many more years to come. That may be when a super war begins, who knows.

From Wikipedia, 16% of the world are non-religious. That will only grow I think.

I think it is absurd to believe in heaven and life after death. We're all stuck in time, but I wouldn't have minded living when all this bollocks had been denounced.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Zin can you shed light on the Albigensian Crusades against the Cathars and what significance they hold for the Catholic Church.

I'd like to read your view mate, I'm well aware of the subject matter, I've lectured at Oxford on it for 18 months

And my 'authority comment' was a little tongue in cheek, however, rooted with a chip on my shoulder (:

Sorry bud, that is me taking a blind view

What would you like to discuss? The contempt the Roman Catholic Church felt towards the movement, also known as the house of satan (:

The military practices?

The relevance it has to the modern church? Laughable

The doctrine which was wiped out?

What's interesting from this period, some 800 years later, was the fight to eradicate the moral injustices of this institution, it's nothing new, history has merely been tweaked by the organisation!!

 

[Rascal]

Zin can you shed light on the Albigensian Crusades against the Cathars and what significance they hold for the Catholic Church.

I'd like to read your view mate, I'm well aware of the subject matter, I've lectured at Oxford on it for 18 months

And my 'authority comment' was a little tongue in cheek, however, rooted with a chip on my shoulder (:

Bloody hell pal. way out of my league then.

I know the Church of Rome saw the Cathars as heretics. I did read a lot many years ago into Rennes Le Chateau and the supposed Cathar legacy etc. The siege of Monstsegur???? Its late mate and unsprisingly i have had a beer. Was there not an Anti Pope in France, perhaps in Albi?


I need to re read books quick as at the time i had a million questions but nobody could answer and it fascinated me. Got me into the Templar history, Rosicrucians and Prieure De Sion stuff.

Can i come to one of lectures please mate :)

 

[mad4city]

If one accepts that, whatever your personal opinions of the institution, there will always be a Catholic Church, then this can only be a good thing. It moves at a glacial pace though, the Vatican. So, I doubt we'll be seeing the LBGT community getting a fair shake (ooh er, missus) from them in our lifetimes either, mind. Not that the Catholic Church is alone in that, I suppose.

It always bemuses me that there seems to be a limit on what various churches call 'Christian charity'! It's thumped out - faith, hope and charity - but when it comes to certain aspects of daily life, charity goes out of the window!

How very true.

I noticed ratzinger was welcomed as a saint by the new incarnate of Christ last week, let's just forget he's culpable for covering up over 200,000 rapes worldwide the evil bastard, also citing homosexuality as the catalyst for pedophiles....... Burn the whole fucking thing to the ground and be done with it!!!

Firstly, you surely meant Pope John Paul II because Ratzinger (equally guilty of all of the above in my humble etc) is still alive, isn't he?
Also, if I may say so, you had a fair point to make but you let yourself down with some of the terms (Popery), random statistics (not sure that 20,000 rapes excused is necessarially worse than just one) and excitable rhetoric (burn it to the ground?) that you used.
There are millions of decent, honourable Catholics who would be deeply offended by that sort of language - and I think they'd have every right to be. I don't want to sound patronising but I can't imagine that that was your intention, was it? God knows, there's none of us going to change much waffling to each other on here but if the advice of a random eejit on the interweb is worth anything to you: you'll never change anybody's opinions with that tone.

Offend them? One can only hope

Firstly it was 200,000, and that is the estimate worldwide pertaining to allegations over the last 40 years alone

Secondly ratzinger, who is indeed alive, should be nailed to a cross. The despicable cretin has been responsible for more institutionalised abuse in the last 20 years than anyone on the planet, fact.... I suggest you educate yourself on the role he played in the Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, or to your good self, the 'roman inquisition'.....

It helps to be informed when exacting a condescending sermon

And while we're at it let's discuss Marcial Maciel, rattwats closest confidante.....

Indeed there are many Catholics who buy into this spiel, unfortunately the damage is done, evolve the doctrine by all means, don't expect rational people to buy into it though, Christianity is on it's last legs, I'll take great pleasure in seeing it go up in smoke

And yes I am an authority on the subject!!!!

We'll have to agree to disagree then.
I wouldn't be an authority on the subject.
I know Ratzinger is alive, though.
I also know that I wasn't actually disagreeing with you. But hey, ho...

 

[stony]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0tPRjVBvw&sns=em[/video]

All you need to know on the roman popery, this is only 3 years old....

I noticed ratzinger was welcomed as a saint by the new incarnate of Christ last week, let's just forget he's culpable for covering up over 200,000 rapes worldwide the evil bastard, also citing homosexuality as the catalyst for pedophiles....... Burn the whole fucking thing to the ground and be done with it!!!

I enjoyed that. Hitchens and Fry kicked bottom.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

If one accepts that, whatever your personal opinions of the institution, there will always be a Catholic Church, then this can only be a good thing. It moves at a glacial pace though, the Vatican. So, I doubt we'll be seeing the LBGT community getting a fair shake (ooh er, missus) from them in our lifetimes either, mind. Not that the Catholic Church is alone in that, I suppose.



How very true.



Firstly, you surely meant Pope John Paul II because Ratzinger (equally guilty of all of the above in my humble etc) is still alive, isn't he?
Also, if I may say so, you had a fair point to make but you let yourself down with some of the terms (Popery), random statistics (not sure that 20,000 rapes excused is necessarially worse than just one) and excitable rhetoric (burn it to the ground?) that you used.
There are millions of decent, honourable Catholics who would be deeply offended by that sort of language - and I think they'd have every right to be. I don't want to sound patronising but I can't imagine that that was your intention, was it? God knows, there's none of us going to change much waffling to each other on here but if the advice of a random eejit on the interweb is worth anything to you: you'll never change anybody's opinions with that tone.

Offend them? One can only hope

Firstly it was 200,000, and that is the estimate worldwide pertaining to allegations over the last 40 years alone

Secondly ratzinger, who is indeed alive, should be nailed to a cross. The despicable cretin has been responsible for more institutionalised abuse in the last 20 years than anyone on the planet, fact.... I suggest you educate yourself on the role he played in the Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, or to your good self, the 'roman inquisition'.....

It helps to be informed when exacting a condescending sermon

And while we're at it let's discuss Marcial Maciel, rattwats closest confidante.....

Indeed there are many Catholics who buy into this spiel, unfortunately the damage is done, evolve the doctrine by all means, don't expect rational people to buy into it though, Christianity is on it's last legs, I'll take great pleasure in seeing it go up in smoke

And yes I am an authority on the subject!!!!

We'll have to agree to disagree then.
I wouldn't be an authority on the subject.
I know Ratzinger is alive, though.
I also know that I wasn't actually disagreeing with you. But hey, ho...

I didnt say you disagreed, I said you were ill informed

Tellng someone that they should show more tact when addressing and issue for fear of offence is patronising beyond belief, especially when that person is trying to educate....

The thing is, these 'good' Catholics merely need read the truth that is out there. They support an inherently corrupt organisation that has committed more atrocities than I care to mention. In the modern world, only 4 years ago, ratbag is the incarnate of Christ on earth, he has been duly exposed, yet walks free amongst the other nonces within the Vatican walls..... Offend those 'good' Catholics? I should bloody well hope so........ Ignorance is not bliss my mate!!!!!