The Conservative Party

Len Rum said:
Labour motion to extend £20 uplift to universal credit passes by 278-0.
Well done to Keith.
Tories u turning yet again.
Too frightened to support their own policies.
That's not leadership.
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The Tories abstained so they could claim Labour were politicking in a time of crisis.

There mouthpieces have been out all day saying how wonderful UC is, apart from it being a total disaster, years overdue, full of holes, discriminatory , unfair and down right fucking insulting they have a point.

Anything that lying moron IDS touches has disaster written all over it, plus he had Grayling as a sidekick for a while helping (honest) and that fucking scouse witch off the TV with the decent knockers patronising people, so obviously what really did people expect.

The strange thing is in theory it is actually a fairly decent idea, it is just the morons who tried to carry it out that fucked it up by adding stupid fucking clauses because they have no idea what happens in the real world.
 
Rascal said:
The Tories abstained so they could claim Labour were politicking in a time of crisis.

There mouthpieces have been out all day saying how wonderful UC is, apart from it being a total disaster, years overdue, full of holes, discriminatory , unfair and down right fucking insulting they have a point.

Anything that lying moron IDS touches has disaster written all over it, plus he had Grayling as a sidekick for a while helping (honest) and that fucking scouse witch off the TV with the decent knockers patronising people, so obviously what really did people expect.

The strange thing is in theory it is actually a fairly decent idea, it is just the morons who tried to carry it out that fucked it up by adding stupid fucking clauses because they have no idea what happens in the real world.
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Listened to LBC today whilst working. Caller after caller shocked at how little support UC and JSA offer, how poor the system is - day in day out the excluded - said to be 3mil now rumoured to be much more as loads have been denied furlough too- as I keep saying they are pissing off so many voters with not a care in the world thats how out of touch with the real world they really are.

The idea that abstaining from a vote is not politicking is a laugh too. And I'd agree the idea that consolidating all benefits into one system/place makes perfect sense - I'd imagine progressive countries with developed welfare states such as those in Scandinavia probably have a simple, fair, welfare system accessible on line for their citizens.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Read the whole thread of tweets - its a tragi-comedy involving two cheeks of the same arse completely out of touch with each other and reality. The Tory Party is no longer a political party merely a bunch of dissident groups arguing with and against each other against a back drop of a pandemic, Brexit, rising unemployment, collapsing businesses which also has an obsession with statues

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Payne is the lovechild of Michael Gove and Briefcase Wanker from the Inbetweeners.
 
Rascal said:
The Tories abstained so they could claim Labour were politicking in a time of crisis.

There mouthpieces have been out all day saying how wonderful UC is, apart from it being a total disaster, years overdue, full of holes, discriminatory , unfair and down right fucking insulting they have a point.

Anything that lying moron IDS touches has disaster written all over it, plus he had Grayling as a sidekick for a while helping (honest) and that fucking scouse witch off the TV with the decent knockers patronising people, so obviously what really did people expect.

The strange thing is in theory it is actually a fairly decent idea, it is just the morons who tried to carry it out that fucked it up by adding stupid fucking clauses because they have no idea what happens in the real world.
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Didn't IDS create that bill whilst he was bumming McVey?

Don't get me started on Tories using projection to deflect from their own incompetence.
 
Rascal said:
The Tories abstained so they could claim Labour were politicking in a time of crisis.

There mouthpieces have been out all day saying how wonderful UC is, apart from it being a total disaster, years overdue, full of holes, discriminatory , unfair and down right fucking insulting they have a point.

Anything that lying moron IDS touches has disaster written all over it, plus he had Grayling as a sidekick for a while helping (honest) and that fucking scouse witch off the TV with the decent knockers patronising people, so obviously what really did people expect.

The strange thing is in theory it is actually a fairly decent idea, it is just the morons who tried to carry it out that fucked it up by adding stupid fucking clauses because they have no idea what happens in the real world.
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I agree. Working for the CAB I experience the effects of UC daily.
But, on a more serious note, Rascal, you've made a crucial, serious, allegation about a female, and, with over 60k posts, you know the rules - we require pic's!
 
bluethrunthru said:
Listened to LBC today whilst working. Caller after caller shocked at how little support UC and JSA offer, how poor the system is - day in day out the excluded - said to be 3mil now rumoured to be much more as loads have been denied furlough too- as I keep saying they are pissing off so many voters with not a care in the world thats how out of touch with the real world they really are.

The idea that abstaining from a vote is not politicking is a laugh too. And I'd agree the idea that consolidating all benefits into one system/place makes perfect sense - I'd imagine progressive countries with developed welfare states such as those in Scandinavia probably have a simple, fair, welfare system accessible on line for their citizens.
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By all means simplify the system, make 1 payment but just live in the real world for 10minutes. Pay the bloody money at least fortnightly to help people budget and not have to wait 5 weeks to get it at the start. Don’t sanction people and then let them appeal (and raise the threshold for when sanctions can take place, like missing 3 meetings per 12 months or something not just 1). The hardship payment is an entirely brilliant system thou, they’ve stopped your money, you don’t have a job, try borrowing the money from Billy at number 3, show us (if you can afford the bus fare to see us or get an appointment anytime soon) you haven’t wasted your money on luxuries (when you didn’t expect your payments to be sanctioned) and yeah here is a few quid to get you thru but you will have to repay it. Fuck off.

Anyway on the £20 vote I think abstaining was firstly to not give it more legitimacy and additionally to prevent them being accused of heartlessness and u turning as they haven’t decided yet on what to do. They are under the spotlight on this now
 
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