The Conservative Party

[Chris in London]

You really haven’t got it. This government has saved lives with its actions that is undeniable even by the most ardent government critic.

Well since I haven’t got it, let’s try again. Here’s the question I asked you.

Do you agree with the basic premise that government errors have cost people’s lives?

So do you?

 

[remember arthur mann]

Well since I haven’t got it, let’s try again. Here’s the question I asked you.

Do you agree with the basic premise that government errors have cost people’s lives?

So do you?

 

[metalblue]

Well since I haven’t got it, let’s try again. Here’s the question I asked you.

Do you agree with the basic premise that government errors have cost people’s lives?

So do you?

This is fun

No. I agree with the basic premise that government actions have saved lives

I do agree that more lives could probably have been saved - how and how many I can’t possibly say.

So my turn. Do you agree with my basic premise that government actions have saved lives?

 

[remember arthur mann]

This is fun

No. I agree with the basic premise that government actions have saved lives

I do agree that more lives could probably have been saved - how and how many I can’t possibly say.

So my turn. Do you agree with my basic premise that government actions have saved lives?

 

[metalblue]

Depends how much you think it is them reacting to the pandemic or the pandemic reacting to their decisions. I get that narrative for the first wave, less so the second.

Almost certainly the former. We were already running ahead of the death rate curve of our nearest comparable countries with the first wave

 

[Chris in London]

This is fun

No. I agree with the basic premise that government actions have saved lives

I do agree that more lives could probably have been saved - how and how many I can’t possibly say.

So my turn. Do you agree with my basic premise that government actions have saved lives?

Yes, that’s their job.

So in fact I didn’t misrepresent you when I said you didn’t think the government’s incompetence had cost lives.

What a waste of time swapping posts with you really is.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The premise is fairly absurd. It's an absolute 100% certainty that govt actions have saved some lives. It is however pretty worthless to frame things in that manner, as the alternative would be that NO lives were saved by govt action.

 

[inbetween]

Well I would just bring you back to my original post you quoted, in that the government must take a lot of criticism but at the same time, blaming them for the majority of deaths is inaccurate and unfair.

At this stage if it's 20k deaths, 30k, 100k... It really doesn't matter that much because it's just a tragically high number either way.

The time to blame people comes afterwards. Angela Merkel was the best thing since sliced bread 10 months ago but now Germany is seeing the worst of the pandemic and just like us they knew it was coming.

I don't want to exempt the government but I can't believe Labour nor any other would of acted differently. Labour has 99% supported every single thing so far in the order that it has happened.

The people to attack are the alternate voices, the ones denying that this is even happening and asking for actions that would inevitably kill people. I don't think anyone in the government has taken that view.

 

[meltonblue]

Almost certainly the former. We were already running ahead of the death rate curve of our nearest comparable countries with the first wave

All the more damning then, surely.

 

[west didsblue]

Well I would just bring you back to my original post you quoted, in that the government must take a lot of criticism but at the same time, blaming them for the majority of deaths is inaccurate and unfair.

Even if they’re only to blame for say 10,000 additional deaths that would equate to them being the most criminally irresponsible government since millions were sent to their deaths in WW1 as cannon fodder.