The Conservative Party

[Ban-jani]

Well if she’s doing a masters in law, I’m not surprised she’s not met an advocate of this particular government to be fair! ;)

On communication, absolutely. That’s why I have such an issue with this government though (as plenty of centrist conservatives do too). They’re so bad at justifying their position and seeking to avoid scrutiny that their motives always have to be questioned. If they had a decent argument, they wouldn’t need to be as deliberately disingenuous as they always are.


On the third paragraph, what the university should do, and they do do, is be clear on who their lecturers are and what their teachings on the subject will cover. It’s higher education, they should not follow a set criteria, that’s not what the good universities in particular are there for. You enrol at Oxford because you want to hear Dawkins thoughts specifically for example.

It isn’t in university’s interests to take it to the extreme, people just won’t go and it goes against their own principles of independent thought and what academia is in general.

The question is ultimately who do you believe is best placed to ensure minimal political influence in further education - the academics or the political power in charge at the time. Like I said, there’s a reason even conservatives are critical of increasing political influence in this space and see it as a non issue.

Why is your font getting bigger and bigger haha?

I didn’t mean her meeting Tories, I meant someone with conservative views which is actually a criticism of the Tories as over the last two/three decades, they have shifted towards liberalism.

But they’re not introducing political influence, other than policing campuses to ensure everyone is getting to speak and being heard and I think it’s very much needed. You’ve already admitted there is legislation in place to stop extremism, so you must somewhat agree with the state intervening.

Which Tories are against it?

 

[Ban-jani]

The Govt already stops people speaking via the Prevent Program as part of its anti-terrorism strategy, it’s aim is to ‘counter terrorist ideology and challenging those who promote it’. This inevitably has been used to stop or deter Muslim speakers in some cases. Is the Govt going to fine itself for stopping these people from speaking at Universities, or is it simply the Govts way of determining which radicalism is okay in the name of ‘free speech’ and which isn’t? Is radical Christianity okay, but radical Islam not okay? Is the Govt going to insist, on penalty of a fine, that Holocaust denial is okay in the interests of ‘free speech’, but acceptable to deny ‘free speech’ to a speaker arguing the case for the Palestinian people on the grounds it may ‘radicalise’ people?

What in God’s name is radical Christianity and how is in manifest in British society?

I can’t wait to hear this.

And what Muslim speakers didn’t get to speak that deserved to, with the state itself stopping them?

 

[Ban-jani]

horrible cunts who thought nothing of starving millions, killing millions and exploiting millions of people?

To be fair this describes Marxism in practice to a tee

 

[Vic]

If, as reported on this thread, a university exists where there are no Conservative supporting students, no young Tories association and anyone who doesn't hold left wing views is purged from the campus, then yes, I've changed my mind and there is obviously cause for the government to step in.

Of course though, it could be a load of bollocks story where the reader is expected to believe that someone intelligent enough to study for a masters is dumb enough to believe that they go to a university with no conservatives.

And no one from a public school, hotbeds of leftie radicals.

 

[Vic]

Why is your font getting bigger and bigger haha?

I didn’t mean her meeting Tories, I meant someone with conservative views which is actually a criticism of the Tories as over the last two/three decades, they have shifted towards liberalism.

But they’re not introducing political influence, other than policing campuses to ensure everyone is getting to speak and being heard and I think it’s very much needed. You’ve already admitted there is legislation in place to stop extremism, so you must somewhat agree with the state intervening.

Which Tories are against it?

Non-conservative Tories.

A bit of revisionism there already.

If you think Tories are now liberals you must mean she hadn't met any obvious fascists.

 

[Ban-jani]

If, as reported on this thread, a university exists where there are no Conservative supporting students, no young Tories association and anyone who doesn't hold left wing views is purged from the campus, then yes, I've changed my mind and there is obviously cause for the government to step in.

Of course though, it could be a load of bollocks story where the reader is expected to believe that someone intelligent enough to study for a masters is dumb enough to believe that they go to a university with no conservatives.

And here we go, the left wing way, get personal and start calling people dumb. I know your snide comment about our kid is to try and get an angry reaction from me but you’ve just outed yourself as the idiot.

I didn’t say she claims there are no conservatives, I said she’d a) never met one and b) never heard an opinion from one

So no, you’re the dumb one, for failing to read and process basic English.

Can we also distinguish the fact that being a conservative or having those views doesn’t automatically mean you’re a Tory? I am and I haven’t voted for them in the last two times of asking.

I know you like to play identity politics and shove everyone in to boxes but it’s not accurate.

 

[Ban-jani]

Non-conservative Tories.

A bit of revisionism there already.

If you think Tories are now liberals you must mean she hadn't met any obvious fascists.

Why is it? You can tell you don’t hear from people with conservative views very often if you think there aren’t a huge number of conservative thinkers who are fed up with the Tories.

Just look at Peter Hithens for one, of many, he doesn’t even vote and wants the Tory party broken up.

It’s not revisionism, it’s the same as socialists abandoning Labour.

You really ought to broaden your horizons Vic.

The Tories are liberal, very much so. What conservative social policies have they introduced since 2010?

 

[Ban-jani]

And no one from a public school, hotbeds of leftie radicals.

Tories won more working class votes than Labour amid stark generation gap at general election, poll suggests

Boris Johnson's party out-polled Labour by double-digit figures among both manual workers and households with incomes below £20,000

www.google.co.uk

 

[Ban-jani]

@Vic

I hate to be the one to tell you but left wing politics is now a middle class movement.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Why are you introducing it into debate then when it's obvious that despite her not meeting one they exist? It might be the case that they're not in her class or just don't bring it up in conversation.
Law students are by a large minority female, this will be even more evident at postgrad level.

Entry trends

Demographic information about entrants to the solicitors' profession.

www.lawsociety.org.uk

Young Conservatives are more likely to be male. Perhaps that's just a factor. Most intelligent women don't have the same sense of arrogance that stereotypically young men have to bring up seemingly unsavoury views to a progressive audience. I wouldn't expect to hear someone start talking about "There's only 2 genders" , we need to bring back corporal punishment or get people picking up litter for their benefits in serious conversation amongst mere acquaintances.

General election: who will win the youth vote? | YouGov

Age will be a key dividing line in the 2019 general election

yougov.co.uk

"For both men and women under 30, Labour has a clear lead. But young women are much more likely to vote for Labour (60%) than young men (44%).

The Conservatives are in the opposite situation, with the backing of 26% of young men and only 15% of young women – a figure likely to alarm those within the party keen to shake-off the perception that Boris Johnson has a ‘woman problem’."