The Conservative Party

[west didsblue]

Being English can either mean you are ethnically English or you are born in England.
The definition of Ethnicity is:
"the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition."
To me that means that it is possible to be black English as an ethnicity under the "national" definition; although arguably English is a sub-nationality.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Right, and that’s only that way because of how England do their census. Wales now has Black Welsh on theirs too.

Remember that doesn’t mean anything really apart from they are the tickable categories. People can put other and put black English for example.

Mate, stop, just stop, this way madness lies, see my post above.

Because Lammy says this does not make it so.

This is coming from a party that says trans women are women, from a party we're told that is deeply anti-Semitic, and therefore racist, and profoundly unpatriotic, everybody says so. A party, it is alleged, that has embraced identity politics and cancel culture and abandoned its core supporters, burying them under a mountain of multicultural bullshit (which is a bit odd for a racist party).

A party, we're told, that despises it's traditional working class supporters because they're reactionary and racist and white! Just how stupid are the white working class? White English is primarily civic in nature, David Lammy says so.

Ethnic identity? It's only for minorities.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Lammy was fortunate that LBC caller the other day was racist and stupid with it (even by stupid racist standards). Because while every man and his dog is falling over to pat him on the back, in reality he was talking utter bollocks.

This is ethnicity facts and figure from GOV.UK....

In England and Wales, there are 18 ethnic groups recommended for use by the government when asking for someone’s ethnicity. These are grouped into 5 ethnic groups, each with an ‘Any other’ option where people can write in their ethnicity using their own words. These groups were used in the 2011 Census of England and Wales.

The recommended ethnic groups are:

White​

• English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
• Irish
• Gypsy or Irish Traveller
• Any other White background

Mixed or Multiple ethnic groups​

• White and Black Caribbean
• White and Black African
• White and Asian
• Any other Mixed or Multiple ethnic background

Asian or Asian British​

• Indian
• Pakistani
• Bangladeshi
• Chinese
• Any other Asian background

Black, African, Caribbean or Black British​

• African
• Caribbean
• Any other Black, African or Caribbean background

Other ethnic group​

• Arab
• Any other ethnic group

In Wales, ‘Welsh’ is the first option in the White category.

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White English is an ethnicity.

Lammy can be many things, but he can't be white English and neither can Sunak, and there isn't any other variation of English that they fall in to.....British on the other hand is as much theirs as it is mine.

Lammy rambling on about everyone having sex with Normans and Saxons and Irish, and you can throw in the Romans if you like, making English ethnicity so diffuse you can shoehorn all and every ethnicity, including his own, is pure Humpty Dumpty....."Words mean what ever I choose them to mean"

Clearly in Lammy world an ethnic group has to be pure and any evidence of rumpy pumpy with foreigners is an instant plunge in to the melting pot (I thought melting pot was a left wing no no).

Besides, you can't have an ethnic minority without an ethnic majority and if white English is not an ethnicity there's nothing to be a minority to.

Lammy is not English and all those being right on by saying he is are talking out of their arse.

So is Black British.....

I answered that by writing ''European''.....

 

[meltonblue]

Mate, stop, just stop, this way madness lies, see my post above.

Because Lammy says this does not make it so.

This is coming from a party that says trans women are women, from a party we're told that is deeply anti-Semitic, and therefore racist, and profoundly unpatriotic, everybody says so. A party, it is alleged, that has embraced identity politics and cancel culture and abandoned its core supporters, burying them under a mountain of multicultural bullshit (which is a bit odd for a racist party).

A party, we're told, that despises it's traditional working class supporters because they're reactionary and racist and white! Just how stupid are the white working class? White English is primarily civic in nature, David Lammy says so.

Ethnic identity? It's only for minorities.

Because Lammy says what? I’m not arguing his overall point as I haven’t heard it fully to know what it is. All I’m querying is why is black British ok but black English isn’t aside from the fact it’s not on an option on the census? As I don’t get why if people don’t think black English should be on there, why that same logic doesn’t also apply to black British?

I’d disagree completely with it but I’d at least understand the argument. I don’t understand agreeing with one and not the other though, I don’t get the logic.

 

[aguero93:20]

Strictly speaking Lammy is correct in saying he is of English nationality, but not correct in saying he is of English ethnicity

The only ethnicity the English have is of boot lickers Russ :)

 

[The perfect fumble]

Being English can either mean you are ethnically English or you are born in England.
The definition of Ethnicity is:
"the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition."
To me that means that it is possible to be black English as an ethnicity under the "national" definition; although arguably English is a sub-nationality.

Lammy believes we live in a multi-cultural society, we don't. There is a dominant culture in this country, it's difficult to define and it changes over time but it is real and its existence is keenly felt by those outside it. Ask yourself why it is that so many feel alienated from the mainstream, when in a multicultural society there is no mainstream.

To understand Lammy it is important to understand where the Labour party is and its relationship with what was its core vote.

So the basics....

Poor white is the new black.

Poor whites gave us Brexit, poor whites gave us racism, poor whites gave us Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage and UKIP, poor whites voted for Boris Johnson, poor whites don't like immigration, poor whites under perform at school, poor whites don't embrace multiculturalism, poor whites don't embrace globalism, change, BLM, extinction rebellion or green anything and on and on and on....

Poor whites are a problem for Labour and they're a particular problem for Lammy, because it's essential to get them to vote Labour yet it's impossible to embrace them or their concerns! The great unwashed white lumpenproletariat are just so fucking lumpen! They're a big, big problem for Labour, ask mumbling Gordon Brown and his switched on microphone.

Think on this...

David Lammy would never turn round to a UK citizen of Nigerian origin living in the UK and tell him his Nigerian ethnicity was a myth.

Ask yourself why.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Because Lammy says what? I’m not arguing his overall point as I haven’t heard it fully to know what it is. All I’m querying is why is black British ok but black English isn’t aside from the fact it’s not on an option on the census? As I don’t get why if people don’t think black English should be on there, why that same logic doesn’t also apply to black British?

I’d disagree completely with it but I’d at least understand the argument. I don’t understand agreeing with one and not the other though, I don’t get the logic.

British = Citizen
English = Ethnicity

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Mate, stop, just stop, this way madness lies, see my post above.

Because Lammy says this does not make it so.

This is coming from a party that says trans women are women, from a party we're told that is deeply anti-Semitic, and therefore racist, and profoundly unpatriotic, everybody says so. A party, it is alleged, that has embraced identity politics and cancel culture and abandoned its core supporters, burying them under a mountain of multicultural bullshit (which is a bit odd for a racist party).

A party, we're told, that despises it's traditional working class supporters because they're reactionary and racist and white! Just how stupid are the white working class? White English is primarily civic in nature, David Lammy says so.

Ethnic identity? It's only for minorities.

The Equality Act 2010 says women who have undergone transition get the same protections from discrimination as biological women do. If someone were to discriminate against a transwoman during the course of employment, on the assumption that they were a biological woman of child-bearing age it wouldn't matter that it was later revealed that they weren't a biological woman or that they couldn't carry a child. Same as it shouldn't matter if a biological woman can't carry a child or has no plans to were to be face the same kind of discrimination.

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There is only one way we can know for certain about the gender demographics, we need to conduct a fullscale involuntary genital examination across the country. Would you like to apply?

Job description below

Inspector Genital
The person in a community who is the chief advocate to ban transgender people from using the bathroom that matches their gender identity, but rather their biological status at birth. This is the self-appointed person who, through their argument, pushes for some form of inspection to make sure peoples genitals match the sign on the bathroom door. This is similar to an Inspector General of a government division.


The Perfect Fumble of Halifax has been fighting so hard to stop transgender people from using intimate facilities that match their gender, he is the Inspector Genital of Halifax.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The Equality Act 2010 says women who have undergone transition get the same protections from discrimination as biological women do. If someone were to discriminate against a transwoman during the course of employment, on the assumption that they were a biological woman of child-bearing age it wouldn't matter that it was later revealed that they weren't a biological woman or that they couldn't carry a child. Same as it shouldn't matter if a biological woman can't carry a child or has no plans to were to be face the same kind of discrimination.

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There is only one way we can know for certain about the gender demographics, we need to conduct a fullscale involuntary genital examination across the country. Would you like to apply?

Job description below

Inspector Genital
The person in a community who is the chief advocate to ban transgender people from using the bathroom that matches their gender identity, but rather their biological status at birth. This is the self-appointed person who, through their argument, pushes for some form of inspection to make sure peoples genitals match the sign on the bathroom door. This is similar to an Inspector General of a government division.


The Perfect Fumble of Halifax has been fighting so hard to stop transgender people from using intimate facilities that match their gender, he is the Inspector Genital of Halifax.

Oh dear, for someone so clearly lacking any sense of humour, it must've been tough to raise a smile when the Tories tore up changes to the Gender Recognition Act, particularly as Stonewall had thrown so much money at it.

Oh, don't post your usual lies in reply, you're playing to the gallery nothing more, I don't give a fuck what you think.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Oh dear, for someone so clearly lacking any sense of humour, it must have been tough to raise a smile when the Tories tore up changes to the Gender Recognition Act, particularly as Stonewall had thrown so much money at it.

Oh, don't post your usual lies in reply, you're playing to the gallery nothing more, I don't give a fuck what you think.

I noticed you posted links to Graham Linehan's blog the other day, are you a paid subscriber? (you have to be to comment on his articles).

Somebody who has fucked up his career as a well regarded TV writer and his marriage because of his unhealthy obsession.

I wouldn't expect you to care. You just come across as a bitter old bigot with an increasingly bizarre world view.