The Conservative Party

[mat]

Pics.

You know the rules.

I think they'll break the code of conduct. Some drawings make PornHub look tame.

 

[mat]

I feel a Monty Python Joke coming on.

As soon as I read that saw John Cleese saying "lucky woman"

 

[Vic]

Mate, ethnic groups exist, I'm white English, I am English, English is my ethnicity. David Lammy is not white English, he is not English, English is not his ethnicity and as there is no ethnic group black English then Lammy is not English, sometimes it really is as simple as that.

Are you seriously claiming that a black person born and brought up in England cannot call themselves English? But Mark Francois can? Michael Portillo? Only white people can be English? St George can't be English? (Well, obviously he wasn't...)

 

[The perfect fumble]

Norman, Saxon, all the same, the black lads have the same rights to be here and the Picts precede us all.

Same as it ever was...

Stig of the Dump.

 

[Rascal]

Lammy was fortunate that LBC caller the other day was racist and stupid with it (even by stupid racist standards). Because while every man and his dog is falling over to pat him on the back, in reality he was talking utter bollocks.

This is ethnicity facts and figure from GOV.UK....

In England and Wales, there are 18 ethnic groups recommended for use by the government when asking for someone’s ethnicity. These are grouped into 5 ethnic groups, each with an ‘Any other’ option where people can write in their ethnicity using their own words. These groups were used in the 2011 Census of England and Wales.

The recommended ethnic groups are:

White​

• English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
• Irish
• Gypsy or Irish Traveller
• Any other White background

Mixed or Multiple ethnic groups​

• White and Black Caribbean
• White and Black African
• White and Asian
• Any other Mixed or Multiple ethnic background

Asian or Asian British​

• Indian
• Pakistani
• Bangladeshi
• Chinese
• Any other Asian background

Black, African, Caribbean or Black British​

• African
• Caribbean
• Any other Black, African or Caribbean background

Other ethnic group​

• Arab
• Any other ethnic group

In Wales, ‘Welsh’ is the first option in the White category.

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White English is an ethnicity.

Lammy can be many things, but he can't be white English and neither can Sunak, and there isn't any other variation of English that they fall in to.....British on the other hand is as much theirs as it is mine.

Lammy rambling on about everyone having sex with Normans and Saxons and Irish, and you can throw in the Romans if you like, making English ethnicity so diffuse you can shoehorn all and every ethnicity, including his own, is pure Humpty Dumpty....."Words mean what ever I choose them to mean"

Clearly in Lammy world an ethnic group has to be pure and any evidence of rumpy pumpy with foreigners is an instant plunge in to the melting pot (I thought melting pot was a left wing no no).

Besides, you can't have an ethnic minority without an ethnic majority and if white English is not an ethnicity there's nothing to be a minority to.

Lammy is not English and all those being right on by saying he is are talking out of their arse.

Some very interesting points, do you not think it depends on how you interpret being English, is it a nationality or is it an ethnicity.

To be English in the dictionary definition means to be relating to England or its people, British in the dictionary definition is relating to, denoting, or characteristic of Britain or any of the natives, citizens, or inhabitants of the United Kingdom. Lammy was born in England and could play for the England team, yet we also have people such as Jofra Archer who was born in Barbados and Raheem Sterling who was born in Jamaica who do play for England. We also had white men like Owen Hargreaves who was born in Canada play for England and Chris Froome who was born in Kenya represent GB at the Olympics. This suggests both are possible.

Strictly speaking Lammy is correct in saying he is of English nationality, but not correct in saying he is of English ethnicity.

To some though to be English you have to be of white English ethnicity and be born in England, whilst being factually correct, it would mean Johnson wasnt English.

I get lost in this argument, because it doesn't matter to me, only because of my status as an adoptee , which means i have no idea of my ethnicity, all I know was I was born in Salford.

 

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Are you seriously claiming that a black person born and brought up in England cannot call themselves English? But Mark Francois can? Michael Portillo? Only white people can be English? St George can't be English? (Well, obviously he wasn't...)

Erling Haaland was born in Leeds, Boris Johnson was born New York.

Romulus and Remus were raised by wolves.

None of these things have any bearing whatsoever on their ethnicity.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Strictly speaking Lammy is correct in saying he is of English nationality, but not correct in saying he is of English ethnicity.

But Lammy didn't stop there and he should have, he stated English ethnicity was a myth and that Englishness as an identity was civic in nature.

This is the kind half arsed bullshit which is killing the Labour party.

 

[meltonblue]

A person is Black British if they're black, and they live in the British Isles (but not Scotland, the Scots do their own census).

Black English isn't a thing. English is listed as a white ethnic group, you can't have Black White.

Right, and that’s only that way because of how England do their census. Wales now has Black Welsh on theirs too.

Remember that doesn’t mean anything really apart from they are the tickable categories. People can put other and put black English for example.

 

[The perfect fumble]

To some though to be English you have to be of white English ethnicity and be born in England, whilst being factually correct, it would mean Johnson wasnt English.

It is bizarre, that the largest ethnic group in this country is not, according to Lammy an ethnic group at all, that's a myth, English is civic in nature, in other words it relates to citizenship and nothing more.

So ethnicity is only for ethnic minorities is it? Which in Lammy world means the largest ethic group in this country is Asian, making up 7.5% of the population.

However on the UK government website....

• according to the 2011 Census, the total population of England and Wales was 56.1 million, and 86.0% of the population was White
• people from Asian ethnic groups made up the second largest percentage of the population (at 7.5%), followed by Black ethnic groups (at 3.3%), Mixed/Multiple ethnic groups (at 2.2%) and Other ethnic groups (at 1.0%)
• among the specific ethnic groups, people from the White British ethnic group made up the largest percentage of the population (at 80.5%), followed by Other White (4.4%) and Indian (2.5%)
• from 2001 to 2011, the percentage of the population of England and Wales that was White British decreased from 87.4% to 80.5%, while the Other White group saw the largest increase in their share of the population, from 2.6% to 4.4%
• the percentage of the population from a Black African background doubled from 0.9% in 2001 to 1.8% in 2011

 

[yerwot?]

Anyone else floundering in a sea of semantics, or is it just me?