The Conservative Party

[Len Rum]

Couldn't we use the money we used to send to the EU to fund social care?
Just 'askin like.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Couldn't we use the money we used to send to the EU to fund social care?
Just 'askin like.

No, get with it. That money has gone to private hospitals (£2bn) to pay for the catching up.

 

[Octavian]

So, just to be clear, you support an effective 1% tax rise on every pound earned above £9564 pa?

I haven’t decided yet to be honest and I’ll wait for to see the actual policy in more detail first.

I definitely don’t support them introducing it into a bracket that don’t currently pay NI.

 

[bluethrunthru]

So - The Commons gets real - its ok to tell lies but against the rules to call out the lies - you will see Johnson attempt a masterclass in lies today

And whilst you are about telling lies make sure you wear a suit and tie and polish your shoes - combing your hair is optional

MPs told to smarten up their clothing ahead of Commons return

Jeans and chinos are banned in a toughening of post-Zoom Commons rules set by the Speaker.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Kompany Car]

Probably the fairest would be a 1% increase in VAT ring fenced for social care.
You are taxing consumption rather than income which can be avoided or wealth which is very difficult to measure; it’s also the most green. The wealthy spend more on eating out, designer goods, cars, holidays etc. As long as you ensure that food and items such as children’s clothing remain tax free it would raise much more revenue than other methods of taxation and impact those with the most disposable income.

 

[Chris in London]

Probably the fairest would be a 1% increase in VAT ring fenced for social care.
You are taxing consumption rather than income which can be avoided or wealth which is very difficult to measure; it’s also the most green. The wealthy spend more on eating out, designer goods, cars, holidays etc. As long as you ensure that food and items such as children’s clothing remain tax free it would raise much more revenue than other methods of taxation and impact those with the most disposable income.

This. There is something to be said for a wider move away from income based to consumption based taxes because income based taxes do hit the poorest disproportionately hard. Moreover, those who are able to do so often structure their affairs in a way that means they pay a disproportionately low amount of tax. One example is the small business owner who pays himself a low basic salary which is below the tax/NIC Threshold and whose ‘real’ income is from dividends declared out of the company’s profits. (Yes I know those profits are taxable and there is nothing illegal about structuring your affairs this way but the result is that you pay less tax. That’s why people do it.) Under the government’s proposals these people would not be contributing towards social care costs. Sort of ironic, given that these people also got zero help from the government’s furlough schemes.

If I had my way I would shift much more of the overall tax burden away from income taxes, which can often be avoided by the wealthiest in society, and onto consumption taxes, which cannot.

 

[BobKowalski]

Probably the fairest would be a 1% increase in VAT ring fenced for social care.
You are taxing consumption rather than income which can be avoided or wealth which is very difficult to measure; it’s also the most green. The wealthy spend more on eating out, designer goods, cars, holidays etc. As long as you ensure that food and items such as children’s clothing remain tax free it would raise much more revenue than other methods of taxation and impact those with the most disposable income.

It won't be ring fenced. It will just get swallowed up.

The German system levies 2.5% tax on the over 40’s which goes onto a strict ring fenced pot to pay for social care. It's basically an insurance scheme.

Long term social care should be separate from the NHS with its own funding model.

 

[Saddleworth2]

This. There is something to be said for a wider move away from income based to consumption based taxes because income based taxes do hit the poorest disproportionately hard. Moreover, those who are able to do so often structure their affairs in a way that means they pay a disproportionately low amount of tax. One example is the small business owner who pays himself a low basic salary which is below the tax/NIC Threshold and whose ‘real’ income is from dividends declared out of the company’s profits. (Yes I know those profits are taxable and there is nothing illegal about structuring your affairs this way but the result is that you pay less tax. That’s why people do it.) Under the government’s proposals these people would not be contributing towards social care costs. Sort of ironic, given that these people also got zero help from the government’s furlough schemes.

If I had my way I would shift much more of the overall tax burden away from income taxes, which can often be avoided by the wealthiest in society, and onto consumption taxes, which cannot.

How would that work with the Amazons of this world though I wonder?

 

[BlueHammer85]

This is a party more than a decade into its reign that has doubled the national debt (pre-pandemic); given a vast increase in homelessness; the lowest state pension in Europe; the collapse of social care; soaring violence on our streets; the highest death toll in Europe, despite being an island; broken promises on housebuilding; 29m views of its leader's lies; cash for lobbying; unlawfully awarded contracts; peerages for donations and now the debacle of Afghanistan and empty supermarket shelves. When will the nation wake up?

when labour supporters stop being dicks and just all get behind their party leader.

 

[Octavian]

when labour supporters stop being dicks and just all get behind their party leader.

I don’t even think that will do it.

England as a nation has a centre right view outside of Manchester and London.

Scotland is centre left but they have turned against Labour and support the SNP.

NI is obviously an entirely different kettle of fish.

Which leaves Wales as the only viable home nation where Labour can win.

Of course who wins what country doesn’t matter in Westminster as it’s number of seats but Labour aren’t going to win enough seats in the vast majority of the UK to form a government.

The next election will likely be the same outcome as the last.