The Conservative Party

MillionMilesAway said:
The media had to blame someone.

When the 2010 election result came out, the LibDems were damned if they did or damned if they didn't - join the coalition and have a chance at making a difference, or decline and cause another election where they'd probably have lost everything.

I assume they underestimated how much Cameron's Conservatives would use and abuse them.
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Agree with that. However, one would think that experience would make both the Liberal Democrats and Labour all the more determined to turn the tables on the Conservatives. Perhaps the results next month will help crystallize matters.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
The media had to blame someone.

When the 2010 election result came out, the LibDems were damned if they did or damned if they didn't - join the coalition and have a chance at making a difference, or decline and cause another election where they'd probably have lost everything.

I assume they underestimated how much Cameron's Conservatives would use and abuse them.
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Not sure I agree with this, but even if you're right, the fixed term act that tied them in, didn't tie them into cabinet posts, And had they jumped ship and rallied round Labour they'd have made Cameron's life impossible.

The LibDems did nothing to stop austerity, they were complicit in all that shit, they sold their soul for a chance to sit at the big boys table and were wiped out for their troubles.

That party is a f**king pestilence.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Not sure I agree with this, but even if you're right, the fixed term act that tied them in, didn't tie them into cabinet posts, And had they jumped ship and rallied round Labour they'd have made Cameron's life impossible.

The LibDems did nothing to stop austerity, they were complicit in all that shit, they sold their soul for a chance to sit at the big boys table and were wiped out for their troubles.

That party is a f**king pestilence.
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Would the fixed term act have prevented the govt dissolving? I may be wrong, but I thought they could still request one and need a vote in the Commons to allow it.

I agree that if they'd not gone in with Cameron, then the govt would have been a nonstarter - hence I think there would have been a new election, and I think the LDs would have been obliterated anyway as the bigger parties would have majored on the need not to have a coalition.

I think they underestimated what they were getting into and didn't demand the top post they should have made a requirement. They were rubbish at making themselves influential.
 
This is the guy who took a selfie with a couple of lines of coke in front of hom - how the fuck is he still an MP?

 
MillionMilesAway said:
The media had to blame someone.

When the 2010 election result came out, the LibDems were damned if they did or damned if they didn't - join the coalition and have a chance at making a difference, or decline and cause another election where they'd probably have lost everything.

I assume they underestimated how much Cameron's Conservatives would use and abuse them.
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A lot was learned the hard way by the lib dems. They should have agreed a much more limited program for a year or so and then made the tories work to keep it going. They basically underplayed their hand but at the time they had a few cushy jobs and forcing a GE would have put those on the line. What they failed to grasp was those cushy jobs would change the perception of them for decades to come. Infact it's hard to see them ever getting back to where they were.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Not sure I agree with this, but even if you're right, the fixed term act that tied them in, didn't tie them into cabinet posts, And had they jumped ship and rallied round Labour they'd have made Cameron's life impossible.

The LibDems did nothing to stop austerity, they were complicit in all that shit, they sold their soul for a chance to sit at the big boys table and were wiped out for their troubles.

That party is a f**king pestilence.
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And did that U turn re student fees, which are ridiculous, saddle people with lifetime debt, means they will never realistically get on the housing ladder. Fuck the Lib Dems
 
Gabriel said:
I still struggle to understand how the Liberal Democrat’s have become such political pariahs, cast out by a generation of electors for having been betrayed and saddled with student debt. Yet, the Liberal Democrats were only ever ‘partners in crime’ to that one awful policy. It was a dreadful political error, to be sure, but in spite of the fact that the Conservative cock ups since 2010 have been legend, they seem never be held to the same account. The Conservatives managed to demonise Labour throughout the 1980s and 1990s as economically irresponsible, and still play that card at every opportunity, so given what has happened in recent times, one might have expected the opposition parties to have agreed on a narrative that they could all use to thrash the Tory Party. But they haven’t. Maybe with so much to choose from it’s difficult to decide where to attack, or maybe it’s because they can’t mention ‘the unmentionable‘ that everything else seems small beer. Most odd.
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They sold out for a few years in power. No one respects a sell out. People may hate the Tories, but they have contempt for the Lib-Dems and contempt is way worse than hate.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
The media had to blame someone.

When the 2010 election result came out, the LibDems were damned if they did or damned if they didn't - join the coalition and have a chance at making a difference, or decline and cause another election where they'd probably have lost everything.

I assume they underestimated how much Cameron's Conservatives would use and abuse them.
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I think people forget that there was the option to go into coalition with Labour as the electoral maths could have been made to work. Based on manifestos it would it have been a much more rational choice as the approaches espoused by labour and the libdems on deficit reduction were much closer than the Conservatives apprach. Clegg's political calculus was that he should jump to the right rather than the left which meant that an economic policy a minority of people voted for was allowed to dominate the country's mid term future. Admittedly Brown's approach made it easier for him to make that choice but nonetheless it was at Clegg's door, whether or not it was in part because he was more closely emotionally allied to the Conservatives than either his party or manifesto were is sadly academic now. Clegg's subsequent history would suggest to me he was a good match for the people he choose to get into bed with.
 
BobKowalski said:
They sold out for a few years in power. No one respects a sell out. People may hate the Tories, but they have contempt for the Lib-Dems and contempt is way worse than hate.
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Good point, but I still think the failure to agree on a set narrative will leave the door ajar for a swifter Conservative return.
 
threespires said:
I think people forget that there was the option to go into coalition with Labour as the electoral maths could have been made to work. Based on manifestos it would it have been a much more rational choice as the approaches espoused by labour and the libdems on deficit reduction were much closer than the Conservatives apprach. Clegg's political calculus was that he should jump to the right rather than the left which meant that an economic policy a minority of people voted for was allowed to dominate the country's mid term future. Admittedly Brown's approach made it easier for him to make that choice but nonetheless it was at Clegg's door, whether or not it was in part because he was more closely emotionally allied to the Conservatives than either his party or manifesto were is sadly academic now. Clegg's subsequent history would suggest to me he was a good match for the people he choose to get into bed with.
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Clegg is a quiet Tory.

An arrogant little shit who when travelling from his Sheffield constituancy demanded the train company gave him his own first class carriage to avoid the public. He also didn't expect to pay for it and was charged numerous times on board. Probably claimed the £150 per return trip back in expenses.

The Lib Dems are nothing but silent Tories proven by their appeasement of Osbourne and pig fucker when in power with them.
 
These Hartlepool voters - no matter how much you give them - every other shop is a food bank or clothes bank and still they have to beg them to to punish them the ungrateful fuckers

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