The Conservative Party

law74 said:
That certainly was the case in the past, but over the last year or so I have heard a few reports from those who study politics much more than I do, who suggest that this is certainly waining and isn't as much a factor as ten or even 5 years ago.
How accurate they are remains to be seen.
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It seems inevitable. 10 years ago at the age of 50 you could have your mortgage on your own home paid off, no student or other debt, kids grown, left home and not coming back in their late 20s because they can't afford rent etc etc. And easy to retire to the EU. Or to the coast here without swimming in sewage. Etc etc.
 
Phil1 said:
They won’t see power for decades once the blue rinse brigade have moved onto pastures new judging from that poll.
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You’re forgetting that when Labour are in power than will face a tsunami of hate and accusations, there will be sleeze, migration problems, unemployment, economy etc

Politics will always go round in circles.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
You’re forgetting that when Labour are in power than will face a tsunami of hate and accusations, there will be sleeze, migration problems, unemployment, economy etc

Politics will always go round in circles.
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We have sleaze now. We don't have enough people coming here to work now to fill posts in care and other areas

When Labour were in power our education and health systems were better funded. Waiting lists were cut. Not perfect but not the cost of living crisis and high inflation that we have now due to gross mismanagement of the economy exacerbated by Brexit and wasteful Tory spending and corruption.
 
Zabbasbeard said:
We have sleaze now. We don't have enough people coming here to work now to fill posts in care and other areas

When Labour were in power our education and health systems were better funded. Waiting lists were cut. Not perfect but not the cost of living crisis and high inflation that we have now due to gross mismanagement of the economy exacerbated by Brexit and wasteful Tory spending and corruption.
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Indeed , don’t deny any of that.

But there will always be certain issues that the media/public latch onto with a party and the snowball starts.

You think Labour will stay in power for decades and everything will be smooth sailing ? Especially into days social media world ?
no party has any chance of getting any praise or respite after a few years in power.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Yes there is a shortage. The practise I attend lost two a married couple - who went back to Romania and a Polish lass who replaced them didn't hang around for long either.

dentek-eu.com

Is there a shortage of dentists? - Dentek

It is important to look after our teeth, but getting an appointment isn't always easy. But is there a shortage of dentists?
dentek-eu.com dentek-eu.com
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There was actually a 2.3% increase in NHS-registered dentists last year, but it doesn't matter, because of those, they are doing less and less NHS work. Nearly half of the 24,000-odd dentists have cut back on the amount of NHS work they do.

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There are also reports that 45% of dentists in the UK are planning on cutting back the amount of NHS work they do. Of course, all of this leaves a complete mess for those who stay, meaning overwork and burnout, leading to more dentists retiring early or leaving the country like yours (especially since someone who would have been able to work without issue in the UK now has to jump through a load of hoops and pay a bunch of money to come - but then this is what Brexit-voters wanted).
 
law74 said:
That certainly was the case in the past, but over the last year or so I have heard a few reports from those who study politics much more than I do, who suggest that this is certainly waining and isn't as much a factor as ten or even 5 years ago.
How accurate they are remains to be seen.
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People become more conservative when they have something to conserve. Unfortunately, the Tories have fucked up the economy so much that there's an entire generation with no assets who therefore aren't going to vote for them. Which 40 year-old with two kids and a rental house is going to vote Tory?

There's also the fact that the Tories have massively failed on things they traditionally claim to be good at: law and order, tight immigration (hence all the oldies going even further right-wing to Reform UK), supporting businesses, all shit.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Indeed , don’t deny any of that.

But there will always be certain issues that the media/public latch onto with a party and the snowball starts.

You think Labour will stay in power for decades and everything will be smooth sailing ? Especially into days social media world ?
no party has any chance of getting any praise or respite after a few years in power.
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Even if they fix everything and do an amazing job, creating a prosperous country, loads of people will go "Hang on, I'm doing alright for myself now. Why should I be paying all this tax to support other people?" And then the whole sorry cycle starts again.
 
threespires said:
Teachers put in the same position as the police, expected to plug the gaps in other frontline services that are no longer there.

In some instances they may actually be the better option but only if they are sufficiently funded with the relevant specialists; but as you say it's nothing to do with having the most effective service it's about papering over the cracks caused by cuts in other areas.
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Agreed “papering over the cracks caused by cuts in other areas “ The cuts in other areas are quite vicious especially around vulnerable children and poor families. It’s heartbreaking it takes Rashford to try and take on the government to feed children in lockdown and holidays.

Schools had a dedicated nurse who used to take on inspecting for Nits the “NIT NURSE” over 11 yrs schools had a permanent nurse on the premises for any health problems growing children had.
Nothing is more important than the next generation to grow up healthy and free from health related problems that will mean they are hampered in the job market and need to fall back on state benefit
 
I'm With Stupid said:
There was actually a 2.3% increase in NHS-registered dentists last year, but it doesn't matter, because of those, they are doing less and less NHS work. Nearly half of the 24,000-odd dentists have cut back on the amount of NHS work they do.

Source

There are also reports that 45% of dentists in the UK are planning on cutting back the amount of NHS work they do. Of course, all of this leaves a complete mess for those who stay, meaning overwork and burnout, leading to more dentists retiring early or leaving the country like yours (especially since someone who would have been able to work without issue in the UK now has to jump through a load of hoops and pay a bunch of money to come - but then this is what Brexit-voters wanted).
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Even when we were in the EU, a British dentist who'd qualified and practised in Germany had to requalify to practice here. But let's make it even harder.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Indeed , don’t deny any of that.

But there will always be certain issues that the media/public latch onto with a party and the snowball starts.

You think Labour will stay in power for decades and everything will be smooth sailing ? Especially into days social media world ?
no party has any chance of getting any praise or respite after a few years in power.
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Difficult to predict. Labour could be in power for two terms but things can change very quickly as the last five years have demonstrated. There is no suggestion from me that anything will run smoothly especially with the mess that the Tories have made. That would be rather naive to say the least. Labour have already said spending will be tight in the early years of their government, if elected.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thats the thing. We have lived in this modest 3 bed semi for almost 30 years. When the kids were growing up we probably should have moved somewhere larger but we couldn't afford to and when we could afford to we didn't need the extra space and costs lol. Whatever extra cash we had went of giving the kids experiences - we had 2 holidays a year but that was only in a caravan in Bournemouth nothing fancy but that enabled us to experience different things too.

Their school friends had parents who did the life style creep thing and it always saddened me that they came from big houses with flashy cars on the drive and couldn't believe we had a fridge and freezer full of food. And we had no qualms about them having an ice lolly or a bag of crisps. Some people have strange priorities.
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I envy you

We did the opposite tried for the bigger 4 bed detached the worst decision we ever made, rather stupidly paid the extras of Rates Electric Gas until there was hardly any money left to enjoy life.
Three children had a bedroom each so it works from an isolation point of view that’s about it.

Couldn‘t wait to get in a three bedroom small garden less work house after years of paying stamp duty, solicitors fees, estate agents fees, every time we moved the costs on moving house are huge.
We have the three bedrooms now to my relief back where we started the hunt for bigger and better and have more money to help the children and grandchildren
 
How come these fuckers always put it on us to help out the big corporations??

They seriously expect me to hold it in, just so the Water Companies shareholders can carry on receiving dividends?

It's the same with everything! I have to buy energy saving light bulbs to sort out Global Warming rather than the government putting through legislation to force housebuilders to include solar panels/heat pumps/minimum standards of insulation in new builds in case it reduces their donors profits?

The sooner they fuck off and we get a proper government in place the better.
 
The country is in a difficult place. I don't think the impact of Brexit is remotely the sole cause, but it hasn't helped.

Brexit was a vote to be poorer. People even acknowledged that at the time and said it was 'worth it'. But it's one thing to say it, another to face up to reality.

We are poorer as a country, for several different causes. We are not willing to accept it, so we are borrowing to get by. How long this can go on, I don't know.

The only way to improve matters is to invest in the right things. 1. How do you decide what are the 'right' things? 2. Where do you get the money? It's going to be a gamble.

We need a certain amount of immigration for economic reasons. However, getting the numbers right is tough, and it's a political hot potato. Immigrants are in danger of being the X group everyone blames for all the ills of the country. They are not, but the right will argue they are.

It's all very dangerous.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Fuck all to do with Tory cuts meaning councils couldn't afford to dredge then..?
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Correct.

UU installed a storm trap near us. Just stops solids getting into the nearest watercourse during downpours, but the foul water still gets in the watercourse and eventually in main rivers. (They take out the trapped solids every so often to go to the sewage works.)

Frankly, I would try not to add to what's going in the combined sewer during a storm.

The issue is whether privatisation means what people pay in water and sewage rates is going to profits rather than toward the billions needed to get rid of combined systems.
 
They are fucking horrible to a man/woman.
Every interview you see from one of their members serves as a timely reminder that the only people who would vote for them are other fucking horrible people because no right minded person can listen to their shite and think to themselves, yeah that’s the way to go.
Cunts.
 
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