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Brewster's millions said:
David Amess was murdered after holding a constituency surgery meeting, i.e. answering people’s questions and trying to help people.

Jo Cox was murdered on her way to just such a meeting in her own constituency.

You should stop posting bollocks.
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Both of those tragic killings imo were as a result of Government. They were tragically the fall out for those creating the problems as they were redily accessible, whereas those cretins at the top creating this shit show are well protected.
 
mosssideblue said:
Both of those tragic killings imo were as a result of Government. They were tragically the fall out for those creating the problems as they were redily accessible, whereas those cretins at the top creating this shit show are well protected.
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This barely deserves a response but I suggest you do a bit of reading about the murders and then you’ll see where your views are wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Both murders were carried out by lunatics, albeit of different persuasions. A white supremacist and Nazi sympathiser on one hand, and an ISIS supporting loon on the other.

You could potentially argue that the Amess murderer should have been picked up by virtue of the fact that he had been referred to the Prevent scheme, but then you’d be locking up or intensively monitoring an awful lot of people. I know that a lot of posters on here think that having three or four thousand potential terrorists on the MI5 watchlist is no big deal, but having ten or twenty thousand under surveillance isn’t really realistic. In any case the ISIS murderer had been planning to kill an MP since 2017 and his motivation related to the UK taking action against IS, which hardly relates to the more controversial areas of government policy.

Meanwhile the Jo Cox murderer had reportedly moved to killing somebody over the course of twenty years and had idolised a number of similarly infamous oddballs, not least David Copeland.

In a similar vein, I presume you believe that the government of the day was responsible for the people killed by Copeland because they allowed black, Asian and gay people to live in the UK?
 
johnnytapia said:
It’s awful when MPs exert their parliamentary right to hear policies debated in the chamber first.
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Except Sunak didn't announce a policy.

Either just waffle, or wind-up, or windbaggery, or stoking the fires he claims to want to douse.
 
Brewster's millions said:
This barely deserves a response but I suggest you do a bit of reading about the murders and then you’ll see where your views are wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Both murders were carried out by lunatics, albeit of different persuasions. A white supremacist and Nazi sympathiser on one hand, and an ISIS supporting loon on the other.

You could potentially argue that the Amess murderer should have been picked up by virtue of the fact that he had been referred to the Prevent scheme, but then you’d be locking up or intensively monitoring an awful lot of people. I know that a lot of posters on here think that having three or four thousand potential terrorists on the MI5 watchlist is no big deal, but having ten or twenty thousand under surveillance isn’t really realistic. In any case the ISIS murderer had been planning to kill an MP since 2017 and his motivation related to the UK taking action against IS, which hardly relates to the more controversial areas of government policy.

Meanwhile the Jo Cox murderer had reportedly moved to killing somebody over the course of twenty years and had idolised a number of similarly infamous oddballs, not least David Copeland.

In a similar vein, I presume you believe that the government of the day was responsible for the people killed by Copeland because they allowed black, Asian and gay people to live in the UK?
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Are you able to prove that these lunatics were not driven to that condition as a result of the way the country is being goverened and the consequences of decisions made by ministers?
 
I think it's clear that there's an element in the Tory party who are making a conserted effort to Americanise British politics. They're trying to polarise the debate and are championing news media who are willing to be a month piece for a select few.
What annoys me so much about that, is that politics becomes an industry. Much like in the US, hundreds of millions of dollars are put into campaigns and smears and the good of the people gets lost in all the rhetoric.. I don't want that for Britain.

Sunak is pandering to a few within his own party, and it's the same elements that brought us Brexit, the same party that enabled Liz Truss to rise to become PM. It's absolute madness and it's only going to get worse the longer they're in power and have power hungry narcissists in Westminster. Quite depressing really...
 
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The Blue said:
I think it's clear that there's an element in the Tory party who are making a conserted effort to Americanise British politics. They're trying to polarise the debate and are championing news media who are willing to be a month piece for a select few.
What annoys me so much about that, is that politics becomes an industry. Much like in the US hundreds of millions of dollars are put into campaigns and smears and the good of the people gets lost in all the rhetoric.. I don't want that for Britain.

Sunak is pandering to a few within his own party, and it's the same elements that brought us Brexit, the same party that enabled Liz Truss to rise to become PM. It's absolute madness and it's only going to get worse the longer they're in power and have power hungry narcissists in Westminster. Quite depressing really...
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These Tories are not politicians, they only do the bare minimum looking after the needs of the country
 
mosssideblue said:
And miss you answering my question? Nah, i'll wait thanks
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I was actually trying to do you a favour because you’re just talking nonsense I’m afraid. Utter tripe.

Again, we’re talking about a white supremacist who spent twenty years building up to a murder, associating himself with every nut job organisation around the world, and you’re talking about it being a definitive reaction to specific government policies. Plus you can’t answer my point regarding Copeland.

So, once again, do you think Copeland planting those bombs in ‘99 was a direct response to government policy of the day, or was it just the general swagger of somebody like John Prescott that led to him killing all those people?

You can take your time on that one as I’ve got better things to do today than talking nonsense with your good self.
 
Brewster's millions said:
I was actually trying to do you a favour because you’re just talking nonsense I’m afraid. Utter tripe.

Again, we’re talking about a white supremacist who spent twenty years building up to a murder, associating himself with every nut job organisation around the world, and you’re talking about it being a definitive reaction to specific government policies. Plus you can’t answer my point regarding Copeland.

So, once again, do you think Copeland planting those bombs in ‘99 was a direct response to government policy of the day, or was it just the general swagger of somebody like John Prescott that led to him killing all those people?

You can take your time on that one as I’ve got better things to do today than talking nonsense with your good self.
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What a pathetic creature you are. You cannot prove anything so try the cheap offensive of someone challenging you not being educated enough for you.

Do one and fuck off for good you Tory cock sucker
 
mosssideblue said:
What a pathetic creature you are. You cannot prove anything so try the cheap offensive of someone challenging you not being educated enough for you.

Do one and fuck off for good you Tory cock sucker
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Last post on this because you’ve clearly lost any perspective.

I wasn’t being offensive - unlike yourself, unfortunately - and I haven’t mentioned anything in relation to education. So you’ve obviously just made that up.

I think you’ve adopted an absurd position on this and I’m happy to tell you that. I also think that when you’re discussing things such as the murder of two innocent MPs then you should probably avail yourself of some of the facts, although you presumably also believe that to be an offensive opinion.
 
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