The Conservative Party

[Vic]

Seems to be in a lot of peoples’ heads, especially the ones who support the party that’s about to be annihilated.

Has there ever been a Tory message that hasn’t had dishonesty attached to it? Probably quicker that way around for all of us.

Here's Geoffrey explaining how it wasn't "fundamentally dishonest" to deny pre-election in 1979 that Thatcher would double VAT (when they'd planned to increase it from 8% to at least 15% and maybe higher.

Lord Howe says of Labour's charge that the Tories planned to double VAT: "We had no difficulty denying it. For there was no prospect, on even the most gloomy of expectations, of our having to go beyond a rate of 15 per cent.

"Some critics afterwards thought it pedantically misleading to rest our case on the fact that twice 8 per cent (the then basic rate) was 16 and not 15 per cent. They also overlooked the fact that some goods (about 6 per cent of the basket) were already taxed at 12.5 per cent: the weighted average impact of the existing dual rate was 8.5 per cent. So our denial was more than technically correct." He dismissed the row as "part of the small change of election campaigning".

I'm fundamentally dishonest. You're pedantically misleading.

 

[Vic]

Something must be done.
This is something.
Let's do that.

Rarely will you see a better example of this process. It astounds me how people attach themselves to such policies that - apart from any question of humanitarianism - simply will not work.

It would probably be just as effective to fine each unauthorised arrival £50 and ban them from driving for five years. That would be 'something' too.

Ah, the story of how Thatcher decided on the poll tax is surely a more famous example.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Seems to be in a lot of peoples’ heads, especially the ones who support the party that’s about to be annihilated.

Has there ever been a Tory message that hasn’t had dishonesty attached to it? Probably quicker that way around for all of us.

Well, in a very similar vein to the proposed Labour policy you two have been discussing... It seems that when talking about Rwanda the Tories seem to omit the fact that we're expected to take Rwanda's most vulnerable refugees as part of the exchange. Unlike Labour's policy, which is just a vague promise in a shiny booklet, that point is actually in black and white in the bill they passed.

Weird how it never gets a mention.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well, in a very similar vein to the proposed Labour policy you two have been discussing... It seems that when talking about Rwanda the Tories seem to omit the fact that we're expected to take Rwanda's most vulnerable refugees as part of the exchange. Unlike Labour's policy, which is just a vague promise in a shiny booklet, that point is actually in black and white in the bill they passed.

Weird how it never gets a mention.

I assume it’s because there is no point in anyone trying to argue that the Tories are dishonest, as we’ve seen 14 years of it.

It’s trying to deflect away from that by trying to show that Labour are just the same, despite none of their policies being implemented yet.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

OFF HIS FUCKING HEAD - AGAIN

Come on now, give him a break, we've all experienced what he's going through here. This is that face you have when sitting in a greasy spoon at 6am after an all-night bender, still half-cut, flipping through a copy of Razzle with your new best mate Greg who you met three hours ago.

(Try not to question the specificity of this anecdote)

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Come on now, give him a break, we've all experienced what he's going through here. This is that face you have when sitting in a greasy spoon at 6am after an all-night bender, still half-cut, flipping through a copy of Razzle with your new best mate Greg who you met three hours ago.

(Try not to question the specificity of this anecdote)

Did Greg too have nihilist beliefs and a bout of syphilis?

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Did Greg too have nihilist beliefs and a bout of syphilis?

No, but he does now

 

[bluethrunthru]

How can they think this is a good look?

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Another day and more bollocks by sunak , i suppose we now know there wont be an election for at least three months , he will want at least one plane going before the coward will risk it . Thought the max we could send to rwanda was about three. hundred so where is he getting several flights every month from ?

Every poll says the public is against the Rwanda thing. I don’t understand at all why he thinks “getting the planes in the air” will make one iota of difference, because it won’t.

The only explanation is he knows his goose is cooked and sees it as his only legacy project, which is really fucking depressing.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Like the good old days keeping MPs up until the early hours to debate the matters of the day....

Oh wait, it's just the Tories trying to get through illegal legislation to throw red meat to their far right voters.

This farce goes to show parliament could have been working hard into the night on many occasions to protect our economy, healthcare etc and not for a photo opportunity of Tommeh Robinson and the frog faced Führer daisy chaining with our PM one very expensive half filled flight to Rwanda.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Every poll says the public is against the Rwanda thing. I don’t understand at all why he thinks “getting the planes in the air” will make one iota of difference, because it won’t.

The only explanation is he knows his goose is cooked and sees it as his only legacy project, which is really fucking depressing.

He bet his world on it.

Me, I have no interest in the policy or the individual who is trying to put it in place, apart from the amount of money that has been wasted on this vanity project. That money could have been diverted elsewhere to support a number of things that would have a real social impact.

Stupidity and the Tories seem to go hand-in-hand, it’s about time they were stopped from handing funds out to people who don’t deserve it.

 

[Scottyboi]

Send the buggers back, well done Rishi we've got our country back!

 

[BTH]

Send the buggers back, well done Rishi we've got our country back!

If this is supposed to be an attempt at humour it's a poor one, and not remotely amusing.

Last night the most right-wing government we've ever had plummeted to a new low and for what? To appease Brexit-voting Mail and Telegraph readers in Middle England and far-right, Farage-loving knuckle-draggers alike? No doubt some will conflate it with St George's Day, even though St George would be one of the first buggers to be sent back if he was around now, to use your vernacular.

The Tories' small-time thinking and crash and burn policies of the last 14 years have ensured that Britain's reputation is in tatters. But this? Like I said: a new low.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

A truly shameful day for our country.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What's Labour's plan?
Oh wait they don't have one

• Process the applications quicker (Tories laid off 2/3 of the case workers which has led to this backlog and us having to put them up in hotels)
• Enforce the rule that says that if , whilst here , you commit a criminal offence punishable by 12 months or more in prison you will be returned.

Deportation from UK: Deportation Rules in the UK – Sterling Law

What is Deportation? Deportation Rules in the UK. Our immigration lawyers are ready to give you legal advice on all matters related to deportation!

sterling-law.co.uk

• Set up a processing application centre in France ...where people with a valid reason for asylum can apply. This will take away the need to cross the channel and do away with the traffickers . We can then safely assume that anyone who does try to cross by small boat wouldn't be successful with an asylum application and return them.

Under the last Labour Government we had less than 19,000 outstanding asylum applications and no we didn't just ''let everyone in '' . The success rate for applications has remained consistent . However since the loss of the Dublin Agreement due to Brexit it might be difficult to achieve these figures again.


Please stop reading the Daily Mail & Daily Express.

The asylum backlog is far higher now than when Labour left government – Full Fact

The home secretary told Parliament the current backlog bears “no comparison” to the situation in 2010, and that Labour would be “found wanting” in any comparison.

fullfact.org

 

[Blue Maverick]

200 people oh well they will be replaced in two days! What a complete waste of time and money, labour will reverse it hopefully within months.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Seems to be in a lot of peoples’ heads, especially the ones who support the party that’s about to be annihilated.

Has there ever been a Tory message that hasn’t had dishonesty attached to it? Probably quicker that way around for all of us.

As has been proven already

 

[metalblue]

• Process the applications quicker (Tories laid off 2/3 of the case workers which has led to this backlog and us having to put them up in hotels)
• Enforce the rule that says that if , whilst here , you commit a criminal offence punishable by 12 months or more in prison you will be returned.

Deportation from UK: Deportation Rules in the UK – Sterling Law

What is Deportation? Deportation Rules in the UK. Our immigration lawyers are ready to give you legal advice on all matters related to deportation!

sterling-law.co.uk

• Set up a processing application centre in France ...where people with a valid reason for asylum can apply. This will take away the need to cross the channel and do away with the traffickers . We can then safely assume that anyone who does try to cross by small boat wouldn't be successful with an asylum application and return them.

Under the last Labour Government we had less than 19,000 outstanding asylum applications and no we didn't just ''let everyone in '' . The success rate for applications has remained consistent . However since the loss of the Dublin Agreement due to Brexit it might be difficult to achieve these figures again.


Please stop reading the Daily Mail & Daily Express.

The asylum backlog is far higher now than when Labour left government – Full Fact

The home secretary told Parliament the current backlog bears “no comparison” to the situation in 2010, and that Labour would be “found wanting” in any comparison.

fullfact.org

More of the same then.

If people are fleeing persecution how does one go about returning them even if they commit a crime? Legal challenges galore.

I’d rather see a more holistic immigration service where we process applications offshore at our embassies and consulates and, if granted, we pay for the bus to bring them here. Anyone then crossing by boat would be fucked off to wherever… Liverpool would be a good deterrent. It doesn’t feel that hard to do this, no idea why our main political parties cling to a process that is clearly not fit for purpose.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

He bet his world on it.

Me, I have no interest in the policy or the individual who is trying to put it in place, apart from the amount of money that has been wasted on this vanity project. That money could have been diverted elsewhere to support a number of things that would have a real social impact.

Stupidity and the Tories seem to go hand-in-hand, it’s about time they were stopped from handing funds out to people who don’t deserve it.

Exactly. That’s my opinion on it too, and the opinion of the vast majority of the electorate.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

What's Labour's plan?
Oh wait they don't have one

They do, you’ve just swallowed one of Sunak’s buzzwords and not bothered to engage your brain and realise it’s a load of tosh.