You can blame the Labour party also as they are partly culpable for meA Tory government will sell off the NHS bit by bit and continue austerity policies albeit they may well be called something else. The well off will be fine, the less fortunate will continue their current path into in work poverty. The Union will be destroyed within the next term of a Tory government. That is the truth as I see it.
You are of course correct. They have fled the left of centre and left a void in politics in the U.K. it’s not like the Lib Dem’s have a grown up leading them either. I have never felt so unrepresented.You can blame the Labour party also as they are partly culpable for me
@Rascal said he would stick by the elected leader regardless because he's a democrat, that's admirable but a little like sticking your hand in the fire because somebody tells you to....
If @Labour had an electable leader then things could be so very different.. I'm sure a lot of Labour party members and their MPs must feel sickened by the situation
I'm quite sure Corbyn will be promising the earth alongside his promise to do something but we're not really sure what, with respect to Brexit.
Well first I think you meant Corbyn wanting Venezuala!Thus far the Tories have promised the universe - Johnson is doing so as I type in PMQ's ....... I assume this time there will be a fully costed manifesto? Probably not - Javid will point to economic growth ( sunny uplands) from Brexit but not give any numbers because its all pie in the sky. They may accuse Johnson of wanting Venezuela but at least its not Narnia where the Tories seem to be looking towards as our future.
Well first I think you meant Corbyn wanting Venezuala!
But more generally, the idea that Tories are the party of cloud cuckoo land and not Corbyn and his cronies? Now that IS funny.
Is this back to the future? Are we in 2016? It seems you and they are. This debate was started, had and lost. 3 years ago.Ooops yep I meant Corbyn lol - typo cuased by my laughing at Johnsons uncosted promises - bit of a fly in the ointment here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50219036
Low life Tories at PMQs mocking Jezz for wearing a green tie in remembrance of Grenfell victims.
Even Mavis had to step in and tell them to STFU.
# rockbottomtories
The party of one nation conservatism now becoming the party of right wing nut jobs.The more centered Cons are leaving in their droves. A vote for the conservatives now is a vote edging further and further to the right.
I doubt that drain of centrist MPs will go unnoticed by like-minded Tory voters, at least some are likely to either stay home or switch their vote, most likely to Lib Dems.The more centered Cons are leaving in their droves. A vote for the conservatives now is a vote edging further and further to the right.
Is this back to the future? Are we in 2016? It seems you and they are. This debate was started, had and lost. 3 years ago.
FWIW, £70bn doesn't seem that bad. Compared to Brown taking £200bn+ out of peoples pension pots with a single one of his tax raids.
The government spends £850bn a year, so £70bn loss over 10 years whilst bloody annoying, doesn't seem like something to throw ourselves off Beach Head over. It's less than 1 years GDP growth.
err - its £70bn PER YEAR - 3.5% lower economic growth than staying in - worse than Maydays deal - worse than the status quo of uncertainty - watch Faisal Islams piece on the 10 O'clock news if moving pictures are more of a help. HMG won't reveal their figures. As I say I don't expect a fully costed manifesto from the Tories because unicorns, fairies and Narnia are hard to put a price on.
That was not clear from the headline. Anyway it's neither here nor there. Our GDP is a couple of trillion so 70 billion is a small amount overall.
To put it in context we grew by 70 billion last year. So it we lose 70 billion per annum due to Brexit, it's just the same as saying we lost 1 year of growth. I think we'd survive that. In fact we'd barely notice.
Something needs to be done, I get two trains a day, ten a week, and only two were on time all last week and I didn’t get a seat on any of them.
To be honest the seat isn’t my main gripe, being on time is and as long as I’ve got somewhere to stand and hold onto something, not always the case, I’m happy enough.
Like when Virgin and Stagecoach walked away from the East Coast line and it had to be run as a nationalised company from 2009 to 2015 and only turned in £1 billion profit
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-temporarily-renationalised-virgin-stagecoach
except we fail to grow year on year for 10 years.............which culminates in a negative position in 10 years time of 3.5% behind where we should be in 10 years. You can dress it up how you like but its an economic negative for the UK over decade.
Now this is an independent bit of number crunching based on Johnson's deal - if its inaccurate then they need only publish their own economic impact figures but they won't - maybe because it is actually not as bad as what their own number crunching comes out at?