The Conservative Party

[Rascal]

FBPE vibes. The same kind of delusional liberal thinking that gave us a hard brexit and this shit government. If it does go tits up at least they'll be able to scapegoat the electorate rather than the dogshit on offer.

Bang on.

 

[west didsblue]

From BRITAIN ELECTS.

Labour have fell 6% since last autumn and the trend continues month by month apart from a slight rise in Feb. If that trend continues the lead will be wiped out by the end of this year and there will not be an election until possibly autumn next year.

I do not really give two fucks whether you or anyone else buys it or not, today is not election day.

I’m guessing that’s from the point where Truss and Kwarteng were in the middle of crashing the economy whilst promising a tax cut for those on £150k+. Hardly surprising that those intending to vote Tory fell to an all time low and then reverted to previous lows. The Tory vote is showing hardly any signs of significant recovery and it’s delusional to think otherwise.

 

[domalino]

I’m guessing that’s from the point where Truss and Kwarteng were in the middle of crashing the economy whilst promising a tax cut for those on £150k+. Hardly surprising that those intending to vote Tory fell to an all time low and then reverted to previous lows. The Tory vote is showing hardly any signs of significant recovery and it’s delusional to think otherwise.

He knows all of that, he’s just determined to pretend otherwise because he cant stand the idea of Labour winning.

 

[domalino]

FBPE vibes. The same kind of delusional liberal thinking that gave us a hard brexit and this shit government. If it does go tits up at least they'll be able to scapegoat the electorate rather than the dogshit on offer.

It’s such a shock that the only 2 people who think a 20+ point labour lead in the polls is proof of the tories imminent election win are also the two currently hosting an anti Starmer circle-jerk in the labour thread because people are being mean to Corbyn again.

 

[BlueHammer85]

That is a very simplified appraisal of what I would like for the country. I despise the Tories, but I also despise Liberalism. I totally get that we need the Tories out but would a centrist liberal government be any better. It would still be in awe of Capitalism, it would still see state assets sold off to privateers, it may even given the links that **** Streeting and others of his ilk have to private healthcare mean the further selling off of chunks of the NHS.

I in all seriousness can not vote for a party that does not represent my views, but to suggest I want the tories to win is ridiculous. You lefty liberal types can win or the tories will win, but either way, i am not represented.

Lefty liberals are still a world away from the corrupt failed Tories
I get it’s not ideal for you principally but after 13 years of Tories to think you won’t bother voting and run the risk of further Tory power is so so blindsided

 

[Rascal]

It’s such a shock that the only 2 people who think a 20+ point labour lead in the polls is proof of the tories imminent election win are also the two currently hosting an anti Starmer circle-jerk in the labour thread because people are being mean to Corbyn again.

The Starmeroids really are a cult. You are making claims about things I have not said.

Lets try again.

Britain Elects shows Labours lead has fallen by 5 points in the last quarter, if that 5 points replicates itself in the run up to the next election, the lead evaporates and because of the new voter ID rules the Tories will be favourites.

As for an anti Starmer circle jerk because he has been mean to Corbyn, well that is silly, he is being mean to the Labour parties democratic process by over riding the wishes of the CLP. with the ludicrous decision to try to bar Corbyn from standing. Now if you are happy for the Labour party to be undemocratic then that is your choice, i am a Democratic Socialist though and consider democratic process as sacrosanct. I would be the same if the likes of Streeting was barred, if Cooper was barred, if Abott was barred and so on. If a party can not be democratic in its own processes then what hope is there for it to be democratic in power.

 

[domalino]

Britain Elects shows Labours lead has fallen by 5 points in the last quarter, if that 5 points replicates itself in the run up to the next election, the lead evaporates and because of the new voter ID rules the Tories will be favourites.

Britain elects are currently predicting Labour to win 424 seats. A 286 seat majority.



And as you seem to place so much stock in Britain elects, here's the founder of Britain elects with an article for you.

No, the Tories are not making a dramatic comeback

A new poll by Deltapoll seems to show the Labour lead cut in half. So should Rishi Sunak be celebrating?

sotn.newstatesman.com

i am a Democratic Socialist though and consider democratic process as sacrosanct.

Being able to run in an election is a keystone of democracy. Being able to run under the banner of a specific political party isn't, and never has been. No one is stopping Jeremy Corbyn from standing for election.

 

[domalino]

 

[Brewster's millions]

The polling is undeniably still around extreme levels for the Tories, but it’s also not dissimilar to that seen at a comparable point ahead of the 1992 election.

Methodological changes (brought about by the 92 election result) have to be considered of course, but the interesting aspect and potentially relevant point is how the Conservative support improved from its 1990 low as the inflation and interest rate cycles reversed, something which will happen over the remainder of this year.

I don’t think the Conservatives will win the next election, but I still believe that Sunak does have a very narrow path to potentially making it into a tight contest, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the polls do close significantly over the next 12 months.

 

[west didsblue]

The polling is undeniably still around extreme levels for the Tories, but it’s also not dissimilar to that seen at a comparable point ahead of the 1992 election.

Methodological changes (brought about by the 92 election result) have to be considered of course, but the interesting aspect and potentially relevant point is how the Conservative support improved from its 1990 low as the inflation and interest rate cycles reversed, something which will happen over the remainder of this year.

I don’t think the Conservatives will win the next election, but I still believe that Sunak does have a very narrow path to potentially making it into a tight contest, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the polls do close significantly over the next 12 months.

Whilst there was a brief period in 1990 at the height of the poll tax debacle when Labour polled above 50%, the Tories never went below 30%. Once the poll tax was consigned to the scrap heap, the conservatives recovered and polling was fairly tight in the 18 month run up to the 1992 election. The current government don’t have a similar clearly defined unpopular policy they can ditch to give them a boost. The damage has been done through years of sleaze, economic mismanagement and taking the piss out of the electorate with party gate, which is something they can’t undo. It’s really not comparable in the slightest.