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The Conservative Party
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BeerIsTheBest
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I’ve not heard or seen a coherent argument that makes a case to suggest that the Tories have done anything but make the situation worse.
Clearly the world is in turmoil and the number of refugees increases exponentially and every sensible person wants to stop the economic migrants abusing the system and see the end to people risking their lives to enter the UK.
But don’t respond to the Tory dog whistles which focus entirely on those who are abusing or gaming the system and avoid the look back at their own pathetic failings.
The last Home Office figures show that at end of 2022 there were 132,000 cases relating to 160,000 individuals Awaiting initial decision.
There are 3 times the number of applications waiting for an initial decision than there were in 2019.
The increasing numbers are worsened by the fact that there are more cases entering the asylum system than receiving decisions.
There were 10% fewer decisions made in 2022 than in 2019.
In 2010 46,000 people were deported. By 2021 this annual number had fallen to 9,500.
In the 2019 Home Office Report three main reasons were cited. Make your own mind up who should carry responsibility.
1. Gvmt had reduced the use of detention and the size of the detention estate
2. Gvmt made procedural changes following the Windrush scandal
3. There was a long running breakdown in data sharing between gvmt departments
Latterly Brexit with the end of the Dublin Agreement which allowed return of people to EU member states (with no mitigation plan) and the loss of EU funding for asylum and immigration activities has made the issue worse.
So from my perspective, focus if you like on the rights and wrongs of barges and the use of far flung outposts to process applications but don’t lose sight of the simple truth that the current government has spent a good few years digging a very deep hole. It’s only course of action now is that to wind people up and distract voters from their own failings.
Clearly the world is in turmoil and the number of refugees increases exponentially and every sensible person wants to stop the economic migrants abusing the system and see the end to people risking their lives to enter the UK.
But don’t respond to the Tory dog whistles which focus entirely on those who are abusing or gaming the system and avoid the look back at their own pathetic failings.
The last Home Office figures show that at end of 2022 there were 132,000 cases relating to 160,000 individuals Awaiting initial decision.
There are 3 times the number of applications waiting for an initial decision than there were in 2019.
The increasing numbers are worsened by the fact that there are more cases entering the asylum system than receiving decisions.
There were 10% fewer decisions made in 2022 than in 2019.
In 2010 46,000 people were deported. By 2021 this annual number had fallen to 9,500.
In the 2019 Home Office Report three main reasons were cited. Make your own mind up who should carry responsibility.
1. Gvmt had reduced the use of detention and the size of the detention estate
2. Gvmt made procedural changes following the Windrush scandal
3. There was a long running breakdown in data sharing between gvmt departments
Latterly Brexit with the end of the Dublin Agreement which allowed return of people to EU member states (with no mitigation plan) and the loss of EU funding for asylum and immigration activities has made the issue worse.
So from my perspective, focus if you like on the rights and wrongs of barges and the use of far flung outposts to process applications but don’t lose sight of the simple truth that the current government has spent a good few years digging a very deep hole. It’s only course of action now is that to wind people up and distract voters from their own failings.
I'm sure there are people who'd happily sink the barge with all souls on board. First they came for the refugees...Tongue in cheek I know but that’s pretty fucking tasteless Vic.
If you want me to go on again about Braverman's thoughts on "fake humanitarianism" and Hitler's hatred of Humanitätsduselei ...
I'm sure there are people who'd happily sink the barge with all souls on board. First they came for the refugees...
I’m sure there is and they are no better than the few posters on here who wish harm and even death on people because of their different politics.
Extremist views no matter where they come from are disgusting…
Fred_Quimby
Well-Known Member
During the ‘election’ campaign that brought in Truss someone was boasting that the Home Office was the first department to implement the 20% cuts brought in by Rishi’s budget early last year. Anyone know where these cuts were made?? No prizes.
Ifwecouldjust.......
Well-Known Member
Something Labour have already said they will keep.
Where do we put asylum applicants whilst they are going through the process?
Genuine question btw if you have better alternatives?
Just process the applications quicker .... since the Labour Government .. the tories have reduced the the asylum case handlers from 8000 to less than 3000.... thus creating a backlog .... then they put the backlog in hotels .. solely to wind gammon up because of the cost ...then they use the current cost to justify spending £1.6 billion on renting a floating prison (that only cost £40 million to build )
But hey racists have to racist
Ifwecouldjust.......
Well-Known Member
Are asylum applicants eligible for council houses?
no .... they are entitled to accommodation tho until their case is heard ..... actually thats the wrong answer ... do we have any council houses since the Thatcher govt ?
hilts
Well-Known Member
Depends how unsafe they were in France:-)Are asylum applicants eligible for council houses?
hilts
Well-Known Member
I think the Tories making things worse has been a given for a long time now. I would actually be very shocked if they managed to get one thing right.I’ve not heard or seen a coherent argument that makes a case to suggest that the Tories have done anything but make the situation worse.
Clearly the world is in turmoil and the number of refugees increases exponentially and every sensible person wants to stop the economic migrants abusing the system and see the end to people risking their lives to enter the UK.
But don’t respond to the Tory dog whistles which focus entirely on those who are abusing or gaming the system and avoid the look back at their own pathetic failings.
The last Home Office figures show that at end of 2022 there were 132,000 cases relating to 160,000 individuals Awaiting initial decision.
There are 3 times the number of applications waiting for an initial decision than there were in 2019.
The increasing numbers are worsened by the fact that there are more cases entering the asylum system than receiving decisions.
There were 10% fewer decisions made in 2022 than in 2019.
In 2010 46,000 people were deported. By 2021 this annual number had fallen to 9,500.
In the 2019 Home Office Report three main reasons were cited. Make your own mind up who should carry responsibility.
1. Gvmt had reduced the use of detention and the size of the detention estate
2. Gvmt made procedural changes following the Windrush scandal
3. There was a long running breakdown in data sharing between gvmt departments
Latterly Brexit with the end of the Dublin Agreement which allowed return of people to EU member states (with no mitigation plan) and the loss of EU funding for asylum and immigration activities has made the issue worse.
So from my perspective, focus if you like on the rights and wrongs of barges and the use of far flung outposts to process applications but don’t lose sight of the simple truth that the current government has spent a good few years digging a very deep hole. It’s only course of action now is that to wind people up and distract voters from their own failings.
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They are the best in the whole wide world at snappy slogans that the hard of thinking seem to love.I think the Tories making things worse has been a given for a long time now. I would actually be very shocked if they managed to get one thing fight.